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Frustrated with Camera shopping; please help!
Hello again,.

A while ago I posted a request for help choosing a compact, carry around camera. I know Im too lazy to lug the SLRs I am familiar with for every day shooting, so after many sleepless nights, I thought I could live with the Canon G9. I was actually going to buy one this week, but the store I like was out of stock..

Ever since then Ive been lurking around this site and have caught wind of the Sigma DP-1 and Oly E-420 w/ pancaked lens. Now Im in a whole new world of indecisiveness..

The DP-1 is out of my price range for a compact camera (even though it looks fantastic) and the Oly E-420 will likely be near the top range as well (I dont want to stray much above $600 cdn) but they could both bring around a new genre of compact/dslr cameras..

Do I buy the G9 now for it's compactness and cry myself to sleep over it's small sensor, or wait for this new crop of cameras that may or may not take off?.

Is it true that the E-420 has no image stabilization? That doesn't bode well for my shaky hands or frantic walk by shots in large crowds of people..

Im pretty sure I'll lose more sleep over this tonight, what should I do?.

Thanks,.

Paul..

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Paulsy wrote:.

Do I buy the G9 now for it's compactness and cry myself to sleep overits small sensor,.

Do you shoot a lot of low light color? Or do you need shallow DOF? Or crop a lot? If not, then the G9 should be fine..

Is it true that the E-420 has no image stabilization?.

It's true, but there may be a E520 that will apply the same upgrades to to the E510 body..

Im pretty sure I'll lose more sleep over this tonight, what should I do?.

There is no perfect camera. Buy the one that feels best and concentrate on learning it. By the time you've mastered this camera and feel it's limits, there will be a whole new set of choices..

Erik..

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Paulsy wrote:.

Ever since then Ive been lurking around this site and have caughtwind of the Sigma DP-1 and Oly E-420 w/ pancaked lens. Now Im in awhole new world of indecisiveness..

Why? The biggest question I think people forget to ask is why they actually need an SLR. If you don't want to spend lots of cash on big lenses, why go for an SLR over a P&S? DSLRs sound better, but for many people they're worse..

The DP-1 is out of my price range for a compact camera (even thoughit looks fantastic) and the Oly E-420 will likely be near the toprange as well (I dont want to stray much above $600 cdn) but theycould both bring around a new genre of compact/dslr cameras..

Remember though that the reason for getting an SLR is to get into a system of glass. If you don't intend to buy into the system of lenses then you'll spend the same on a body with a limited lens that you could've on a P&S with a versatile zoom..

Is it true that the E-420 has no image stabilization? That doesn'tbode well for my shaky hands or frantic walk by shots in large crowdsof people..

Image stabilization isn't that important... it adds a tiny bit more shake room that you might need indoors in low light, but that's about it. Mostly an overrated feature..

Im pretty sure I'll lose more sleep over this tonight, what should I do?.

Don't fret it!.

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Image stabilization isn't that important... it adds a tiny bit moreshake room that you might need indoors in low light, but that's aboutit. Mostly an overrated feature.

I think it's a correctly rated feature!.

But it's more use on a compact than on an SLR, since the low noise of an SLR means you can use higher ISO to compensate for camera movement..

I wouldn't buy a compact without IS..

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Comment #3

Paul,.

Shame the shop didn't have a G9 then perhaps you'd be already sorted - or would you?.

Sounds like your first choice is Compact or DSLR - if Compact then G9 in my mind would be a good purchase and in your budget + have movie mode as well etc. If DSLR, then opens up a whole new ball game for you - what lens(s), IS, dust reduction, size etc? Plus, as well as the Oly, you might get caught up in considering the Canon, Nikon or Sony routes etc - could be a whole new thread!.

You're only one who can decide - either buy best available camera you like within your budget or decide what you really want - even if that means waiting for launch + perhaps saving up for..

If really losing sleep, perhaps best to wait until can handle the DP-1, E-420 and G9 in a shop together and see which suits best..

Regards......Caster.

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It is true that SLRs' large sensors reduce the need.... I can see why it would help on a P&S, but if you are going the SLR route, you can get fast lenses (i.e. 50mm f1.8) and flashes so you'll never need the IS..

Perhaps most importantly, IS only stabilizes camera shake, not subject motion. A fast aperture on a lens and extra light actually lets you pick up the shutter speed enough to freeze subject motion..

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Once again you guys have given me much to think about..

It sounds like I should buy the G9, and then next year I can dive into the world of SLRs when Im ready to go full on with lenses etc. This way I guess I'll have the best of both worlds in the long run. Using the G9 for a year will probably help figuring out what will be best for my 'next step'..

Thanks again for your help!..

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ExNihilo wrote:.

Perhaps most importantly, IS only stabilizes camera shake...

Thats what I want it for, but like you said when I was thinking of IS I had the frustrating time I had taking some night shots using my GFs little Nikon with no view finder in mind. I find it so much harder to hold a camera steady when I cant put it up to my face. So I guess thats not as much of a concern on a DSLR with a view finder and big lens to hold on to..

I read that Olympus said they meant the E-420 to be held out in front of your face and used with live view.... yikes. I can see live view being really useful on a tripod or something, but I don't like holding a camera at arms length...

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Paulsy wrote:.

A while ago I posted a request for help choosing a compact, carryaround camera. I know Im too lazy to lug the SLRs.

Keep in mind that although the 410/420 are small DSLRs, they are much larger than the G9 (I've compared the two in store). I would not call the 420 + pancake lens a pocket camera. But the G9 is pocketable - depending on your pocket size, of course..

Some other things to think about:.

The debate over IS is endless. There are those who believe it isn't necessary, while others feel they can't live without it. I'm somewhere in the middle. I plan on buying the E-510 (or it's replacement) because of IS. But I would not rule out a camera w/o IS. Go to the OLY forum - you'll hear from a lot of happy 410 owners, and see a lot of geat 410 photos posted.

A lot of those folks have been producing great photos w/o any IS technology. (except for the Nikon VR lenses, which are few compared to the large selection of lenses that Nikon offers)..

If IQ is your most important consideration, and you don't mind having a camera larger than the G9, then you should consider the 410/420. It also gives you the option of interchangeable lenses. If you're on a buget, why not aim for the 410? When the 420 hits the market, 410 prices should crash...

Comment #8

That's a really good point... I never thought about how bad it is to have to hold the camera out at arms length (or out at all) for using the live view..

That sucks... But I do think it is mostly intended for use by amateurs who aren't used to looking through a viewfinder or for applications in studio (like extreme macro)..

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Paulsy, is it that you haven't decided on a camera or can't find a place to buy the G9?.

Many places in the states were out of stock on the G9 in February due to the demand but now it seems that Canon has caught up with supplying retailers. If you want the G9 (I did, got it, and love it) then there are many reputable websites that will sell it to you for around $460.young old guy..

Comment #10

Image stabilization is unlikely to help much with a night shot. It'll clear up a shot that is a little blurry. Its best for telephoto shots where you have a hard time keeping steady enough to freeze the motion of your muscles. Night shots you need a tripod, place the camera on something stable or a flash...

Comment #11

I have found peace with the gorillapod and a Canon A710 + CHDK or Fuji E-900 and accepting ( at last ) that flash is not an option but a requirement in social situations..

As a G9 needs a heavier support that the base 45g gorillapod I suggest considering a lighter compact. Aim for less that 265g with batteries if you are interested in this route..

Those are my priorities, but it's something for you to think about..

As for the DP1, yes, love one. How much ? No. Thanks for asking, Sigma. .

As for the Oly 410 or 420 with a pancake - actually I'd prefer it to the Sigma. However it's not exactly a pocketable item, even with a pancake lens. Does sound like a quick marketing reaction by Oly and I wonder if Canon or Fuji would like to respond. For some reason I just don't see Nikon trying this - forgive me Nikon fans. .

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