snubbr.com

Flash, high ISO or face detection ?
Social events/parties provide great opportunity to take informal photographs of friends and colleagues. And a compact camera is ideal in these situations (small, discrete, unintimidating compared to a "big camera" etc). But low indoor light often means using flash - and that leads to less than flattering results..

Using high ISO is one answer (not always great with compacts). But how about the face detection feature ? Does the exposure and flash intensity as determined by face detection actually improve anything over the usual auto-mode direct flash ? .

If the answer is no, then using high ISO is still the better option. But if face detection affords better control of flash, then perhaps it's worth considering. I'm not in any great hurry to grab the latest feature-packed ultra-slim compact, but it would be useful to have one handy for the occasions mentioned above. I have tried home-made flash diffuser remedies on my exisiting compact - but with limited success..

AH..

Comments (7)

Photophile wrote:.

Social events/parties provide great opportunity to take informalphotographs of friends and colleagues. And a compact camera is idealin these situations (small, discrete, unintimidating compared to a"big camera" etc). But low indoor light often means using flash - andthat leads to less than flattering results..

What are the less than flattering results you are concerned about?If you explain these, then we may be able to offer suggestions..

Using high ISO is one answer (not always great with compacts). Buthow about the face detection feature ? Does the exposure and flashintensity as determined by face detection actually improve anythingover the usual auto-mode direct flash ? .

I did not think so, but I would consult the manufacturer of the camera to see if they claim or explain how it may aid flash lighting..

Normally the 2 biggest problems with low light indoor flash is since the ambient light is low, the back ground is too dark if far back from the subject, or harsh shadows if the BG is closer. I do not see how face detection will aid or correct these problems..

If the answer is no, then using high ISO is still the better option.But if face detection affords better control of flash, then perhapsits worth considering. I'm not in any great hurry to grab the latestfeature-packed ultra-slim compact, but it would be useful to have onehandy for the occasions mentioned above. I have tried home-made flashdiffuser remedies on my exisiting compact - but with limited success..

AH..

Comment #1

It is very, very small, light and discreet BUT packs a great punch..

If you use some fast lenses, 50mm1.8 or 1.4 or a 35 f/2 (i think these are just about right for parties you talked about) then combine that with the extremely good ISO performance (i used to own a D40 and shots taken at ISO1600 were very usable).

As for the flash problem, this is "no problem!" You can get an SB-600 for less than $200USD and bounce it or use a diffuser to get rid of the "unflattering" effects you are talking about (or get an older SB-28 without i-ttl capabilities and use Auto mode for less than $100USD) I-ttl flash is great from my experience and Nikon does a great job on their flash systems..

I have no experience with "face detection" but in my humble and honest opinion, I think that it is much better if you get the focus points yourself than letting a camera do it for you. I am a believer in giving credit to the photographer (you) and not the camera..

I hope this helps you..

Happy shooting!.

Respects,.

Doni.

P.S. > the lenses I said were all manual focus. However, if you have money you can opt for the higher end lenses. But for the informal use that you are talking about, I think the kit lens (18-55 AF-s) will very much suffice - especially the VR version..

...in matters of grave importance, style not sincerity is the vital thing - Oscar Wilde..

Comment #2

Doni wrote:.

You can get an SB-600for less than $200USD and bounce it or use a diffuser to get rid ofthe "unflattering" effects you are talking about (or get an olderSB-28 without i-ttl capabilities and use Auto mode for less than$100USD) I-ttl flash is great from my experience and Nikon does agreat job on their flash systems..

SB-400 is about $100 and can be bounced and is i-TTL...

Comment #3

Photophile wrote:.

Social events/parties provide great opportunity to take informalphotographs of friends and colleagues. And a compact camera is idealin these situations (small, discrete, unintimidating compared to a"big camera" etc). But low indoor light often means using flash - andthat leads to less than flattering results..

On camera, automatically controlled flash often leads to unflattering results in most situations. To do flash well, you need to control the light, from direction to intensity to temperature..

Using high ISO is one answer (not always great with compacts). But.

Smaller sensors make this more difficult..

How about the face detection feature ? Does the exposure and flashintensity as determined by face detection actually improve anythingover the usual auto-mode direct flash ? .

No, you're still throwing the same amount of light at the same type of target with the same amount of control..

If the answer is no, then using high ISO is still the better option.But if face detection affords better control of flash, then perhapsits worth considering. I'm not in any great hurry to grab the latestfeature-packed ultra-slim compact, but it would be useful to have onehandy for the occasions mentioned above. I have tried home-made flashdiffuser remedies on my exisiting compact - but with limited success..

You're not likely to have much success with compact cameras in this environment, as off-camera controllable lighting isn't generally a strong point for a point and shoot. Point and shoot sensor sizes don't lend themselves well to high-ISO shooting either..

Snapshot equipment, snapshot lighting, you're going to get snapshots..

Paulhttp://PaulDRobertson.imagekind.com..

Comment #4

True! an sb-400 is much much cheaper (around $100 new, and ive seen it go for around $80 used on ebay) and for the candid shots the OP is going to use them for, not that bad. However, the aforementioned flashes are much more powerful and offer more bang for the buck..

Regardless, either an sb-400/600/'800 will be a great addition to your investment. Nikon prides themselves with great flash photography..

Respects,.

Doni.

...in matters of grave importance, style not sincerity is the vital thing - Oscar Wilde..

Comment #5

Thanks for all your replies. It seems that even if face detection allows for more accurate metering, direct flash is direct flash and thus no substitute for diffuse light..

I already own an SLR (Oly E500 and FL-36 swivel-bounce flash). But alas, I have never risked taking this combo to a party - not so much for fear of misplacing it somewhere, but for fear that I might damage it myself in my partially inebriated state  I think for such occasions, a pocket compact is really the only sensible option..

The best solution I have so far regarding diffuse light on a compact (in liu of high ISO) is sticking a white plastic cap (approx 5cm diameter) over the in-built flash, using those double-sided stiky pads (UHU). Not as elegant as using an external flash in bounce mode, but it seems to prevent harsh shadows and garish brightness from people's faces..

AH..

Comment #6

Hi,.

Well, I now know what camera and flash you don't take (sober or otherwise) to these events but don't know which one causes the problem..

Dare I suggest you look in the manual because it may tell you a minimum range to use flash (probably depending on the ISO used) or else it may tell you how to under-expose for flash (usually works) or just how to under-expose. But don't forget to re-set it afterwards..

Regards, David..

Comment #7

Click Here to View All...

Sponsored Amazon Deals:

1. Get big savings on Amazon warehouse deals.
2. Save up to 70% on Amazon Products.


This question was taken from a support group/message board and re-posted here so others can learn from it.

 

Categories: Home | Diet & Weight Management | Vitamins & Supplements | Herbs & Cleansing |

Sexual Health | Medifast Support | Nutrisystem Support | Medifast Questions |

Web Hosting | Web Hosts | Website Hosting | Hosting |

Web Hosting | GoDaddy | Digital Cameras | Best WebHosts |

Web Hosting FAQ | Web Hosts FAQ | Hosting FAQ | Hosting Group |

Hosting Questions | Camera Tips | Best Cameras To Buy | Best Cameras This Year |

Camera Q-A | Digital Cameras Q-A | Camera Forum | Nov 2010 - Cameras |

Oct 2010 - Cameras | Oct 2010 - DSLRs | Oct 2010 - Camera Tips | Sep 2010 - Cameras |

Sep 2010 - DSLRS | Sep 2010 - Camera Tips | Aug 2010 - Cameras | Aug 2010 - DSLR Tips |

Aug 2010 - Camera Tips | July 2010 - Cameras | July 2010 - Nikon Cameras | July 2010 - Canon Cameras |

July 2010 - Pentax Cameras | Medifast Recipes | Medifast Recipes Tips | Medifast Recipes Strategies |

Medifast Recipes Experiences | Medifast Recipes Group | Medifast Recipes Forum | Medifast Support Strategies |

Medifast Support Experiences |

 

(C) Copyright 2010 All rights reserved.