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I have been looking around for my first DSLR. I find the more I look the more confused I get. I have been down to my local camera store and tried them all out and find that most of them feel fine in my hand. I am leaning a little to the Nikon D60 as I like the image quality of the phots in low light. However as I am coming from a P&S area I like the idea of still having a live view with the Olympus E510. Shold I hold out and see what the Olympus E520 is like or just go for the Nikon?.

I feel like it is just such a big step going from P&S to DSLR.Joanne..

Comments (19)

Olympus a much smaller sensor (crop 2 instead of crop 1.5) but the rest is OK..

The problem is that this not on main stream. That doesn't mean this not good but it's more likely to disappear in the future than other formats.VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/..

Comment #1

I have the Oly and love the camera. However if you are thinking that Live View will allow you to take a picture with a DSLR the same way you take it with a point and shoot. You are out of luck. Learn to use a DSLR like a DSLR. Live View has limited functionallity on the 510. Where it is useful (Micro ona tripod) it is VERY useful, but most of the time it is not..

If you are going to be shooting a good deal in low light I would go with the Nikon. If you are doing most of your shooting in normal light and outdoors I would go with the OLY because of the features (built in IS and braketing). If you are on a minimal budget IMO the Oly is a better overall value with the kit lenses..

JimOlympus E-510 and a bunch of stuff to hang on it...

Comment #2

How about the Canon EOS 450D? That has live view as well, it's low light capabilities are supposed to be quite good, and Canon and Nikon are better in terms of noise free images. In addition, Oly seems to have a few problems with AF under low light conditions, as well as with retaining highlights. Canon, Nikon, and Sony seem to be better in the highlight area (which is quite important for your image quality)...

Comment #3

All 5 dSLR manufacturers produce quite good cameras. You can get good pix from all of them. One major difference is the size and aspect ratio of the sensor they use. S, P, & N use a sensor that is 1.5X smaller than a full-frame 35mm sensor. This is often called "crop factor". Canon selected a 1.6X CF and Oly selected a 2.0 CF.

Cheap P&S cameras use a 4:3 aspect ratio..

These factors don't make much difference in the image quality (IQ), but they have a strange psychological effect on male users: They soon have strong feelings of inadequacy. This turns them into pests, as they become enraged when people mention that Oly cameras has slightly worse IQ and resemble P&S cameras in one way...they post incessently, pointing out that Oly takes great pix. They list ALL the good points that Oly has...the excellent Zukio lenses, the effective dust removal, the IS in the body, the water sealing, etc..ad nauseum!.

If you buy an Oly, you will be associated with these insecure guys. You can probably do better? .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #4

Go with a Canon 450 Xsi. Not only does it give you Live View, but it will allow you to grow into the camera morre. Live View doesn't seem to be great for any DSLRs, but I didn't feel it was as bad as the reviews. I just got my Canon Xsi last week and I've only just played with the live view. Seems to work just fine. Going with the Canon will also allow you a much bigger selection of lenses if you chose to get more serious down the road.

So far, I am quite pleased. I just need to learn all of the buttons on the camera ..

Comment #5

Hahahahaha Charlie..

If you buy a Nikon, you join the herds of would-be-pros, and then.....sure you did better;-)..

Comment #6

Canon has a few more choices than Nikon and quite a few more choices than Olympus. The problem is that buying a Canon lens is a bit like walking a minefield. There are a lot of Canon lenses that are of poor quality mixed in..

At least with Nikon and Oly most every lens is pretty darn good optically. I often notice that one of the first lenses a new Canon owner buys is a 50 f1.8. They have to because their kit lens stinks. LOL If you read enough and talk to a lot of other Canon owners, you can weave a path through Canon's offerings and get good glass. Nikon owners don't have to worry about that. Even Nikon's stinkers are pretty good..

Cheers, Craig..

Comment #7

Might help make up your mind. If you're going to specialize in low light, you're probably going to want something brighter than a f/3.5-5.6ish kit lens, anyway...

Comment #8

Leejay Wu wrote:.

Might help make up your mind. If you're going to specialize in lowlight, you're probably going to want something brighter than af/3.5-5.6ish kit lens, anyway..

I'd also like to not have to not buy IS any time I wanted it and have it in body regardless of what lens is attached to the camera, that narrows it down a bit further.....

Comment #9

Baloo_buc wrote:.

Olympus a much smaller sensor (crop 2 instead of crop 1.5) but therest is OK..

Oh. Sure...much smaller sensor. That is a relatively incorrect statement:.

Http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/sensor-size.html.

The problem is that this not on main stream. That doesn't mean thisnot good but it's more likely to disappear in the future than otherformats..

Wow. Quite the assertion! People have been saying they were dead ever since Oly got into DSLR's. I guess that's why they keep growing!.

Regards, KevinMember PPA, WPPI, NAPP..

Comment #10

Mujana wrote:.

Hahahahaha Charlie.If you buy a Nikon, you join the herds of would-be-pros, andthen.....sure you did better;-).

No, I'm not sure. But I like some of my Nikon friends and some of them even like me! But there are a few that I can't stand! My guess is that the % of insecure Nikon owners is lower than with Oly? But I don't have good numbers to know for sure... .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #11

The area is 61% of 1.5 crop factor sensor (or conversely the other is 63% more than Olympus). That means that when a Nikon can go 10 MP for the same performance Olympus can go 6 MP. And the size of the sensor also reduces the control of DOF..

I haven't said that it will disappear in June 2008. I've said that the probability is higher for this small sensor. Now there are more and more cameras with 36x24 mm sensors and eventually some cropped sensors may disappear. It may happed to any cropped sensor (like 1.3x of Canon or 1.5x of Sony) not only to four-thirds..

I'm not saying that Olympus is a bad company, on the contrary, but it may be on a dead path. Olympus makes very good cameras and Zuiko lenses are good.If the OP is happy with an Olympus it's very good..

You may have an Olympus camera so you want to defend your choice. I also may be biased. The difference between Olympus bodies and Nikon entry level bodies is small both as ergonomy and weight. Some Olympus bodies have IS while Nikon has very good VR lens that don't cost a fortune. The price is almost the same.Just my 2 cents.VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/..

Comment #12

The new kit lens of Canon is much improved compared with the old one so it is quite at the same level as Nikon and Pentax kit lens..

With entry level Nikon you don have AF on the very good and cheap 50 mm f/1.8. I hope this will change in the future..

All camera manufacturers will have to improve the lens if they increase the resolution (what you don't see at 6 M it may be very bad at 12 MP).VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/..

Comment #13

Baloo_buc wrote:.

With entry level Nikon you don have AF on the very good and cheap 50mm f/1.8. I hope this will change in the future.Victor.

I agree that we don't get AF with the 50 f1.8 and the D60, but I'm not sure D60 owners would care. If they really want it, they can get AF with the Sigma 50 f1.4..

Nikon owners have the choice of excellent quality zooms in the normal range so, unlike Canon owners must fall back on the normal primes. For example, I use the wonderful 60 f2.8 for a normal prime if I need it. So it's a stop slower. It's one heck of a sharp lens..

Give it a year or less and Nikon will fill out several fast primes in AFS for those that want them. Me, I have a D300 and still won't bother with a 50 1.8..

Cheers, Craig..

Comment #14

Freealfas wrote:.

Leejay Wu wrote:.

Might help make up your mind. If you're going to specialize in lowlight, you're probably going to want something brighter than af/3.5-5.6ish kit lens, anyway..

I'd also like to not have to not buy IS any time I wanted it and haveit in body regardless of what lens is attached to the camera, thatnarrows it down a bit further....

Except when the non-IS lenses for some of the brands that have in-body IS costs more than IS lenses for other brands. Let's see, Oly's 300 f2.8 sells for only $5900. I suppose that's a real savings for not needing IS in the lens. LOL.

Cheers, Craig..

Comment #15

Plus, unlike Nikon owners, they are always stabilized..

Olympus E-510 and a bunch of stuff to hang on it...

Comment #16

Maddogmd11 wrote:.

Plus, unlike Nikon owners, they are always stabilized..

LOL!.

But being stabilized is not the same as being stable... .

Some Nikon owners (like me) don't believe in artificial stabilization. I use REAL stabilization (a monopod)....

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #17

Just for the record, Canon offers the EF-S 17-55/2.8 which is excellent, they also have the 17-40/f4 (full frame lens), which is also very good. In addition there's the 17-85, which is quite good, too. In other words, the availability of good normal zoom lenses is not an issue for either Canon or Nikon users..

Nikon owners have the choice of excellent quality zooms in the normalrange so, unlike Canon owners must fall back on the normal primes.For example, I use the wonderful 60 f2.8 for a normal prime if I needit. So it's a stop slower. It's one heck of a sharp lens...

Comment #18

GDi wrote:.

Just for the record, Canon offers the EF-S 17-55/2.8 which isexcellent, they also have the 17-40/f4 (full frame lens), which isalso very good. In addition there's the 17-85, which is quite good,too. In other words, the availability of good normal zoom lenses isnot an issue for either Canon or Nikon users..

Nikon owners have the choice of excellent quality zooms in the normalrange so, unlike Canon owners must fall back on the normal primes.For example, I use the wonderful 60 f2.8 for a normal prime if I needit. So it's a stop slower. It's one heck of a sharp lens..

This is why many Canon folks have to go to the 50 f1.8. The lenses you pointed out are the problem. The first two are L glass, and that's good. The first one is over $1000 and the slower 17-40 is over $700..

The last one is the 17-85 which many believe to be not a whole lot better optically than the 18-55 with poor build quality to boot, yet it's still over $500..

I'm not putting down Canon. I just feel that Canon needs to spend some time cleaning up many of their consumer level lenses. You're usually safe with expensive L glass and there are some good consumer lenses like the 70-300 IS and the 10-22 wide zoom. The new 55-250 also looks very promising. The problem is that there are too many stinkers like the 17-85 there..

Cheers, Craig..

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