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It looks like the bozos in EURid have taken the Ovidio Limited syndicate domains off the ON-HOLD status. Those checked are now showing REGISTERED status. These were the domains that EURid was making noises about putting back on the market after taking action against 400 "registrars" for breach of contract. These were the 74000 or so domains that EURid put ON-HOLD in July. Right now EURid's credibility is lower than whale crap on the ocean floor.

Regards...jmcc..

Comments (22)

Well there are three possibilities:.

Eurid chickened out..

Eurid made a mistake and changed the domain status..

Eurid is so utterly incompetent that it is too stupid to realise the damage it has inflicted on .eu ccTLD.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #1

Freakin' idiots. I've pretty much washed my hands of .EU domains...

Comment #2

It gets even worse. EURid gets to keep the application fees for rejected sunrise applications. So it has made over $7.3 Million from rejecting applications.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #3

Which domains are we talking about ? 74000 or specific domains ?

Comment #4

We are talking about 74.000 Prime domain names that Ovidio grabbed not complying with the regulations set by the European Parlament and Eurid.

These domains are presumably not decided on yet. We asume there has been a legal move on Ovidios side to make these domains available again untill final decision. We also asume they are not allowed to change ownership untill final decision has been taken.

I hope we will hear more about this issue in the next few days.

As a European Citizen, I would like to ask all of you to help correct all this issue. Please visit www.eudomaindesaster.org and sign in to the petition.

Thanks for reading..

Comment #5

I confirm. These are all the domains that Ovidio Limited/Fausto Limited/Gabino Limited registered. Ovido cannot change the status of the domains. This was a move by EURid. The court action seems to be underway. And contact your MEP and politicians about the .eu fraud.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #6

No problems.

The reactivation seems to be part of the court action (which is apparently underway) and may be temporary pending the outcome.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #7

The courts probably allowed them to reinstate the names during the trial, because without them, Ovidio is losing money, and if Ovidio has them, EURid isn't really losing any money, so it probably seems like a reasonable action for the courts until the case is decided.

Very shady in general though...

Comment #8

The judgement has not been made available yet. But it seems to be a temporary measure while the case is still active. (Sort of like an interlocutary injunction in Irish/UK law where a court grants a temporary relief until the case is heard (if I remember correctly).) Still though, it sent shudders down the spine of the domain industry.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #9

I signed www.eudomaindesaster.org, but it sends an incorrect activation link, so I cannot confirm my signature...

Comment #10

I just contacted them, and gave them the link to this thread.

I hope they can comment on this problem here.

Thanks for trying...

Comment #11

Apparently a Belgian court forced EURid to reactivate the domains by threatening it with a fine of 25000 Euros per domain per hour. EURid is supposed to be appealing the decision. The Ovidio syndicate is claiming that they are using the domains for a "direct navigation" network. Needless to say, there are lots of extremely pissed off people in Europe right now.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #12

So in a nutshell, .EU is basically destined to be relegated to a "junk" TLD along with .info, .biz, .cc, .ws, etc ...

There may be some occasionally high-profile .EU sales, but overall .EU is likely to be ignored by most people unless policy changes dramatically in .EU...

When too few organizations own too many domains in a TLD and/or most of the domains in a TLD are used for similar thing - ie. parking, porn, and spam, the TLD is basically relegated to a forgotten internet backwater where few venture.

To digress a bit ... 800, 888, 877, 866, 855 (soon) ... which one(s) do most people (speaking of North America) associate business with? ... the prefixes all do the exact same thing, but they are not perceived the same by the public ... similar is true with TLDs ... when in doubt most people will stick with .com and/or their local ccTLD where applicable (ie.de, .ie, .co.uk, etc.), but I digress.

Ron..

Comment #13

It was doomed the second that the incompetent management of EURid was appointed to run the ccTLD. These guys had the most powerful legislation governing a ccTLD at their disposal and they screwed it up. It would have been trivial for EURid to deactivate the domains and refuse to renew them. I think that any high profile .eu sale would have to be examined carefully as it might be just one speculator shovelling the domain to another of it's front companies. Basically yes. The majority of genuine registrations in .eu are protective.

After this kind of bad publicity, businesses would probably think twice about being associated with such a badly run ccTLD.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #14

You can't seriously say that .info is a "junk" TLD, there has been consistent sales of .info domains and they are becoming more widely used in business. I've stated this before, but I don't agree with the whole phone exchange scenario... As a consumer, I don't really care what their phone number is as long as it's a toll free number and I know that all of those are toll free exchanges because they're all widely used and it's considered general knowledge. Even if you aren't sure, they'll make sure you do with the words "Toll Free" in their advertising. Companies don't rely on OVT or search engine placement to get phone calls, they rely on advertising that lists a specific number. I'm agreeing with you in the sense that some domain extensions are harder to become valuable due to the fact that they aren't widely known about.

But I hear people giving the phone extension scenario and I just don't think it fits.

.eu is trash now as far as I'm concerned, though I suspect it was before. You got a bunch of people in countries in the EU, but those people don't consider themselves EUians... they consider themselves British, or French, etc... Country loyalties don't die with the conception of an organization that does absolutely nothing for the consumers other than charge a tax and use a common money... So why would any european consumer really have any desire to us .eu instead of their ccTLD.....

Comment #15

As long as eu consists of 25 members and every country has it's own legal system, my understanding is that Ovidio used a Belgian court to take this decision. If I am not wrong Eurid is going to the court in another country (Chech Republic?).

So I think we first have to wait until the case does on. I can't believe it's a final decision, just a prelimenary one. Nobody can't believe that Eurid which is supposed to be backed by EU commision can loose something like this.

And there is no reason because of this to just characterize the whole TLD a junk one. For all the other reasons maybe yes, but not just for this one...

Comment #16

Maybe your experience is different with .info but I don't think that .info is becoming more used by business. The .info gTLD has been building up a reputation as a kind of low rent area of domain town where property is cheap and the quality of sites varies from PPC pages to microsites with Adsense and splogs. I'd agree with this. The startling thing was that the UK registered so many .eu domains - but then it emerged that many of the warehouser operations used UK front companies to register tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of .eu domains. The .eu seemed to be a dot.bomb idea by some EU morons who did not understand the domain business but thought it was a good idea at the time. It was obviously not.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #17

The court action from which the order emerged is a separate action against EURid by the registrars and Ovidio syndicate registrants. The action by EURid against the Ovidio registrars is scheduled for next month. This whole thing has taken a bit of a turn for the surreal.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #18

This I cannot and will not agree with. That is a very poor representation of the Union. As an EU citizen, although I do not agree with many of their policies on certain matters, they have benefited many countries. Whilst the major countries in the union, UK, France, Italy, Spain, and Germany, have not had a great deal of success, in terms of economy improvement since joining, the other, less fortunate, countries have seen many breakthroughs, in many aspects. I am just claiming that the information you posted was inconclusive, and made me decide to try and post a bit more of the information that to my knowledge of the situation, is valid...

Comment #19

Unfortunately the EU has become identified with corruption, incompetence and waste. The .eu fiasco has reinforced this perception. The ccTLDs have received an unexpected boost in credibilty from the incompetent manner in which EURid handled the .eu TLD. It was meant to be a domain for the EU - but it was bought from an incompetent registry by sharp business people. EURid have effectively destroyed .eu as a credible domain for businesses and EU citizens.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #20

I agree that there was a degree of corruption... but this corruption exists with the .COM. Even since before the net went 'big time', people registered domains for companies and common words on the already existing extensions. This proves that this sort of 'corruption' has ocoured since the beginning.

We say that it has been corrupt/damaged/awful for businesses etc. My view was this at first, too.. However, now that I have seen the bigger picture, I've asked myself "What was my plan for the domains, had I managed to get them in the landrush". Strangely enough, my plan is no different to that of any business man who participated. It can't be expected that you get the great domains for a $20 backorder from Godaddy.com or the like.

I think we should look forward to the future of the .EU domains. It will be interesting to see if a market for .EU will appear... after all, it takes time to see how things will pan out.

Also, if this court case goes through... who knows if people on this very forum will gain a second picking (a fairer one) to the domains. In my eyes, the businesses who were geniunely wanting the .EU domains, got their domains. THE REAL BUSINESSES (big business names) got what they required, and then the rest went to resellers like myself and many others here. I would be singing a totally different tune had I have got all of the great domains.

The facts are that .EU had ALOT of hype which caused alot of interest and a lot of competition between a lot of big companies/investors.

May I say, I got my domain put 'on-hold' for my address being wrong on the account due to godaddy, so this isn't really an indication of a court case. Where can I find more information about this case?.

Just My two POUNDS, Thanks.

- Luke..

Comment #21

I was talking about the European Union (EU) rather than .eu as being perceived as corrupt. Though the strange thing is that I've only been able to map approximately 100K .eu domains to UK nameservers. I think that at least 50% of the UK registered .eu domains are owned by front companies. One of them, an apparently Swiss owned front company has over 44K .eu domains hosted on Romanian IP space and it is just a PPC linkswamp or direct navigation network. Some (perhaps all) of the domains are the .eu variants of existing sites. The selling point on .eu was that it was a domain for the EU - for EU people and businesses.

All new TLDs take at least 18 to 24 months to stabilise. After that period, the speculative element declines and the real development takes place. Well the EURid vs The Registars case is scheduled for a hearing next month. That hearing is to set dates and the case could drag on for months (perhaps a year or so) afterward. Tell that to the UK and Irish companies who didn't get their .eu domains.

These are the small businesses and companies that give a TLD it's credibility. Blixem.nl/Parknet if the dodgy ampersand Benelux trademark - over 38K domains. Contact the eligibility section of EURid. They will ask for proof that your address is an EU one. But they haven't been doing a good job as perhaps tens of thousands of .eu domains have dodgy address data for the registrants.

That holdover from the Roman occupation of Britain. We never got invaded by the Romans but now we have Euros and some tossers in Brussels telling us what to do. But at least I can say, accurately, that this is just my few cents.

Regards...jmcc..

Comment #22


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