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entry-level dSLR, best kit lenses?
Lets say I'm really buying on a budget, and wondering which entry-level dSLR will have "better" kit lenses, as I'm likely to stick with the kit lens(es) for a while at first..

1) D4018-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED AF-S DX VR.

2) Pentax k200d18-55mm f/3.5-5.6.

3) Olympus e51014-42mm f/3.5-5.640-150mm f/4.0-5.6 Zuiko Lenses.

4) Sony a20018-70mm f/3.5-5.675-300mm f/4.5-5.6.

5) Canon Rebel XTEF-S 18-55mm f3.5-5.6.

I can get these currently for $600-700. I like the weather sealing of the k200, but it only has one lens for the same cost as the other kits (also $100 rebate currently, so it's not too far off)..

Most of my pics will be travel/landscapes, with a few sport shots of my friends and I surfing, I suppose..

All help appreciated...

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Surfstar wrote:.

Lets say I'm really buying on a budget, and wondering whichentry-level dSLR will have "better" kit lenses, as I'm likely tostick with the kit lens(es) for a while at first..

1) D4018-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED AF-S DX VR.

2) Pentax k200d18-55mm f/3.5-5.6.

3) Olympus e51014-42mm f/3.5-5.640-150mm f/4.0-5.6 Zuiko Lenses.

4) Sony a20018-70mm f/3.5-5.675-300mm f/4.5-5.6.

5) Canon Rebel XTEF-S 18-55mm f3.5-5.6.

I can get these currently for $600-700. I like the weather sealing ofthe k200, but it only has one lens for the same cost as the otherkits (also $100 rebate currently, so it's not too far off)..

Most of my pics will be travel/landscapes, with a few sport shots ofmy friends and I surfing, I suppose..

All help appreciated..

You can see reviews of all of the kit lenses (except the Olympus) athttp://www.photozone.de.

- a quick read suggests that the Sony/Minolta one and the Canon one are both poor and worth avoiding, The Nikon and Pentax and Olympus kit lenses are considered pretty good. The newer Canon kit lens (the 18-55 with image stabilisation built in) is much better than the older one, but a Rebel XT will come with the poor older kit lens which was generally considered a bit of a lemon..

If you are going to stick with the kit lenses the Nikon, Olympus and Pentax are better bets. The Pentax system doesn't come with a tele zoom so is not such good value (the K200D is a new and hence more expensive camera); that leaves Nikon and Olympus. of those, the Olympus has in-camera image stabilisation, but teh Nikon D40 kit comes with vibration reduction (same thing, effectively) built into the tele lens which is where you need it..

So: play with the Nikon and Olympus cameras in a shop and see which you like the feel of best. Then go with that one. Both of those systems will give you excellent value and good quality lenses (and camera bodies). [II'm not being a fanboy here: I use a Pentax myself and like it a lot, but of those systems the Nikon / Oly are better value for the bundle]..

Best wishesMike..

Comment #1

In absolute terms I'd rate the Olympus and Nikon kits lenses are best.I'd rate the Sony as the worst kit lens..

However ....

This is not how you should pick a DSLR. The most significant factor affecting your photos ( apart from learning technique ! ) is how comfortably the camera fits you and the comfort factor in using the viewfinder..

StephenG.

Fuji S3 ProPentax K100DFuji S9600Fuji E900PCLinuxOS..

Comment #2

Http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/.

Http://www.photozone.de/all-tests.

Http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/index.php.

You can check the reviews yourself at either of these sites..

Off the top of my head the Oly has a good reputation for the kit lens, and the Nikon is not far behind. I think the Pentax is decent too. The old Canon kit lens (non IS version) and the Sony kit lens aren't as good. You can check the reviews and decide...

Comment #3

Surfstar wrote:.

Lets say I'm really buying on a budget, and wondering whichentry-level dSLR will have "better" kit lenses, as I'm likely tostick with the kit lens(es) for a while at first..

1) D4018-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED AF-S DX VR.

2) Pentax k200d18-55mm f/3.5-5.6.

3) Olympus e51014-42mm f/3.5-5.640-150mm f/4.0-5.6 Zuiko Lenses.

4) Sony a20018-70mm f/3.5-5.675-300mm f/4.5-5.6.

5) Canon Rebel XTEF-S 18-55mm f3.5-5.6.

I can get these currently for $600-700. I like the weather sealing ofthe k200, but it only has one lens for the same cost as the otherkits (also $100 rebate currently, so it's not too far off)..

Most of my pics will be travel/landscapes, with a few sport shots ofmy friends and I surfing, I suppose..

All help appreciated..

Hi.

Firstly by the dpreview lens tests, the pentax kit lens is the cheapest and the best.That lens has also been replaced by a better lens still..

You could also consider the kit lens (old or new) with a k100d super...the camera was recently discontinued but are still available at some places...even a K100d non super can be found new...both would be cheaper and you could add a reasonable tele zoom..

I have one problem with dpreview tests though and that is with regard antishake and the way it is tested...both for in camera tests and in lens tests, otherwise they are reasonable tests..

Having said that I would not base my choice on a kit lens review or user opinions (and non user opinions)...you really should get a hold of as many cameras as you can and buy what you like....they are all good..

Neil..

Comment #4

Sounds like some good advice. Just read a some good reviews on the Sony 200/300 - pretty good deal on Amazon for the 300 right now, but I'll definitely read the lens links above and find a local store to get my hands on some of the cameras and see how they feel...

Comment #5

And then buy the $199 18-55 IS lens. And if you wanted, for under $300 you can add a 55-250 IS lens..

So for under $500 you can get 18-250 image IS.

You could even buy a one lens solution, the Sigma 18-200 OS for $499..

Personally, I would get the XT for as little as they are selling for new, while supplies last! It may not have all the bells and whistles that the newer DSLR's have, but the image quality is great! Generally, it's the lenses that dictate the image quality more so than the DSLR..

The XT is a great low budget camera that can take excellent quality images..

Don't tell me these images can't compete with DSLR's that are 5x more expensive..

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Comment #6

...and you can find a decent review of the olympus kit lens here:http://forums.dpreview.com/...forums/read.asp?forum=1002&message=28231206.

"Consistently good image quality across all focal lengths, even wide open."Regards, John...

Comment #7

Is their lack of lens selection..

That may not bother some, including first time DSLR users, but it bothers me! When it is time to upgrade, it's nice to have a big quality selection of lenses to choose from like Canon and Nikon. Not everyone will care about having a huge selection of lenses to choose from. And that is not bad at all. IMO a potential Olympus DSLR user should take this into consideration before running out and buying an Olympus DSLR. Wouldn't you just hate to have to go thru the process of switching from one brand of DSLR to another?.

I am using the new summer 2008 catalog from BH as my reference..

Olympus = 19 lenses to choose from + Sigma lenses = 30Canon = 58 lenses to choose from + Sigma/Tamron/Tokina lenses = 126^^^ Added the 18-55 IS and 55-250 ISNikon = 47 lenses to choose from + Sigma/Tamron/Tokina lenses = 114.

Http://www.olympusamerica.com/...cpg_section/lens/dea/products/lens/index.asp.

Http://www.usa.canon.com/...roller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=111http://nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Camera-Lenses/index.pagehttp://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all.asphttp://www.tamron.com/lenses/choosing_rebates_more.asp.

Also, why not look at what the DSLR's / kit lenses are capable of before making a decision?.

Type in the lens you want to see images from in the search boxes at http://www.pbase.com/ and http://www.flickr.com/..

Comment #8

Is their lack of lens selection..

That may not bother some, including first time DSLR users, but it bothers me! When it is time to upgrade, it's nice to have a big quality selection of lenses to choose from like Canon and Nikon. Not everyone will care about having a huge selection of lenses to choose from. And that is not bad at all. IMO a potential Olympus DSLR user should take this into consideration before running out and buying an Olympus DSLR. Wouldn't you just hate to have to go thru the process of switching from one brand of DSLR to another?.

I am using the new summer 2008 catalog from BH as my reference..

Olympus = 19 lenses to choose from + Sigma lenses = 30 lensesCanon = 58 lenses to choose from + Sigma/Tamron/Tokina lenses = 126 lenses^^^ Added the 18-55 IS and 55-250 ISNikon = 47 lenses to choose from + Sigma/Tamron/Tokina lenses = 114 lenses.

Http://www.olympusamerica.com/...cpg_section/lens/dea/products/lens/index.asp.

Http://www.usa.canon.com/...roller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=111http://nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Camera-Lenses/index.pagehttp://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all.asphttp://www.tamron.com/lenses/choosing_rebates_more.asp.

Also, why not look at what the DSLR's / kit lenses are capable of before making a decision?.

Type in the lens you want to see images from in the search boxes at http://www.pbase.com/ and http://www.flickr.com/..

Comment #9

Personally, I believe that either the Nikon or Olympus offers the best kit lenses. Both get excellent reviews and are very sharp..

I prefer the Nikon for several reasons. One, I own Nikon and have owned Nikon since the 1960's. Two, I think that out of the box, the D40 takes the best images with no fiddling and is the easiest to use. I bought my gal, an Oly OM series user, a D40 and 18-135 kit for Christmas and she takes wonderful pictures with no adjustments to the camera. She shoots pure auto all the time..

On the other hand, the Oly is a great camera to grow with as well. I believe that other than the kit lenses, Oly is a little expensive but most all their glass is very good. I wouldn't let the lack of lens selection bother you too much. Some Oly users are reporting issues with Sigma, but unless you're intending on owning a plethora of lenses and building a huge system, there's probably no problem sticking with their very high quality glass..

Canon is a good choice, but thier non-IS kit lens is a paperweight at best, IMO. Canon has a few other stinkers in their mist as well, but if you're careful and read reviews, you'll be fine..

Pentax has great cameras, but IMO, not a great selection right now. Also some of thier lenses are rebadged Tamrons and Consinas. That might change now that Hoya has bought them..

Sony! Hmmm.. my grandkids have a Play Station. Cheers, Craig..

Comment #10

Surfstar wrote:.

Lets say I'm really buying on a budget, and wondering whichentry-level dSLR will have "better" kit lenses, as I'm likely tostick with the kit lens(es) for a while at first..

1) D4018-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED AF-S DX VR.

2) Pentax k200d18-55mm f/3.5-5.6.

3) Olympus e51014-42mm f/3.5-5.640-150mm f/4.0-5.6 Zuiko Lenses.

4) Sony a20018-70mm f/3.5-5.675-300mm f/4.5-5.6.

5) Canon Rebel XTEF-S 18-55mm f3.5-5.6.

I can get these currently for $600-700. I like the weather sealing ofthe k200, but it only has one lens for the same cost as the otherkits (also $100 rebate currently, so it's not too far off)..

Most of my pics will be travel/landscapes, with a few sport shots ofmy friends and I surfing, I suppose..

All help appreciated..

Conrad 'Bye Bye' Birdie'Aspire to inspire before you expire'...

Comment #11

The newest Canon (1000 / XS) may provide image stabilization and meet your price point, plus come with a warranty..

BAK..

Comment #12

That new Canon doesn't offer stabilation in the body and doesn't really seem as a great bargain (street prices to be seen). And every new camera has a warranty...

Comment #13

One thing I don't like about Canon/Nikon is that all though they have a big lense selection many of them are no good....

Quality > Quantity.

^_^..

Comment #14

Let's not forget the fact there are repeats, IS vs. non-IS, L vs. non L, etc...

Comment #15

Remember that the Olympus, Pentax and Sony options all have IS built in, so it works with any lens you attach, making future lenses both cheaper and lighter. Te Olympus is a solid option.Daniel..

Comment #16

The latest iteration of the Nikon 18-55mm has VR, so you could probably upgrade to that one for a couple bucks more if it means that much to your decision..

I wasn't not too happy with the build quality of the 18-55 though.the front element wobbles about 1/16-3/32" back and forth in the lens body..

IQ is fine however..

Mike703 wrote:.

If you are going to stick with the kit lenses the Nikon, Olympus andPentax are better bets. The Pentax system doesn't come with a telezoom so is not such good value (the K200D is a new and hence moreexpensive camera); that leaves Nikon and Olympus. of those, theOlympus has in-camera image stabilisation, but teh Nikon D40 kitcomes with vibration reduction (same thing, effectively) built intothe tele lens which is where you need it...

Comment #17

Pentax kit- both versions I and II is what I have - the first version of the lens was reviewed here, and the review was quite favorable, similar to Nikon and Oly... however in the meantime Pentax came with 18-55 II out, which is quite a bit sharper and overall better than the version reviewed here..

It is 18-55 II that comes as kit with K200D, so I am pretty certain that it is currently "the best" out of the kit lenses... but ultimately even if you go with Nikon or Oly - those two should be just fine too....

Sony kit is to be avoided, and the "old" Canon kit lens, as the others mentioned, but you need think to find out what is important to you when shooting, and than choose as kit is not the only issue when buying....

Common sense is anything but common..

Comment #18

After stopping in a local shop, I of course was recommended that Nikon and Canon have the most/best lenses out there (he even said the Canon/Nikon kit lenses were equal in quality to Olympus - didn't buy that, though). So I came home and I priced out a Nikon D60 and Canon XTi - with the kit lens and then stabilized zoom... came out to be too much for my budget right now..

So I've narrowed it down to the E510, A300, or K200d..

K200d - the only thing I can't get over is the continuous mode - buffer fills after 4 frames. That kills it for any sports/surfing shots I would have wanted it for. Really a shame too, b/c I think I liked that one the best for the lens and build..

A300 - great continuous shooting - tested to 3.4fps on some reviews. Poor kit lens. Even the 75-300 lens I could get with it, while offering great length, didn't sound like it was any better than a Tamron or Sigma tele (which would inflate my price too much, vs the 2 lens kit)..

Brings me to the E510 - great reviews, solid 3.1fps continuous mode w/ unlimited buffer on a fast card, 2 well-reviewed kit lenses. Worried about the smaller sensor, but the 0.7 less dynamic range, didn't seem to be present to any actual owners by reading the forums. ISO is fine up to 800, too, which should suffice for me. Seems like a limited lens offering, but I'm sure I'll find some to fit me in the future....

SO... I think I'm going with the E510. It also got high marks from people in this thread - thanks and wish me luck.....

Comment #19

Which ones do you think are no good? Over half of Canon's lenses are primes, and I think they are great. However, I could pick about 9 zooms which imo are not very good. imo I think the majority of Canon's lenses are very good..

Avaron wrote:.

One thing I don't like about Canon/Nikon is that all though they havea big lense selection many of them are no good....

Quality > Quantity.

^_^..

Comment #20

For example, the 70-200.

F/4.0 = $600f/4.0 IS = $1100f/2.8 = $1190f/2.8 IS = $1699.

Instead of Canon only offering the f/2.8 IS which not everyone can afford, or can justify purchasing, Canon gave it's users options to be able to enjoy the 70-200's great Image quality for all budgets and needs..

People that shoot mainly outside under the sun light would do great with just the f4.0, while someone who shoots indoors with lower light would rather use the f2.8. And if they shoot sports or fast moving objects, the IS would be handy. Why pay for more than you need? Or why be forced to purchase a lens that is not as good as you would like because thats all they offer in the focal range that you need? Personally, I love Canon's lens flexibility..

Imo, the Canon repeats offer lots of flexibility.4 x 70-2002 x 70-3002 x 75-3004 x 50mm3 x 24mm2 x 35mm2 x 85mm2 x 100mm2 x 135mm2 x 200mm3 x 400mm.

^^^ I didn't mention the 18-55 x2, no need. lol. So that leaves 28 other lenses, which is 2 shy of Olympus's and Sigma's lenses combined!.

Sigma offers 40 lenses for Canon, and only 8 duplicates.Tamron offers 26 lenses, and only 6 duplicates..

The Sigma and Tamron lenses add a ton of flexibility for those wishing to get serious about photography..

And for some of those Olympus lens, they are priced insanely high!Olympus 300mm f2.8 = $5894.95Compare to Canon 300mm f2.8 IS = $4100or.

Canon f4.0 IS = $1210 if you don't want to be forced to purchase the higher priced f2.8.

Freealfas wrote:.

Let's not forget the fact there are repeats, IS vs. non-IS, L vs. nonL, etc...

Comment #21

I am not in any way saying that Olympus is not a solid option, especially for the new dslr user. But the in body stabilization is not as good on telephoto lenses as lens stabilization is. You can implement a general in body stabilization system which tries to stabilize every lens of different specs. However, the stabilization won't be as effective as it would be if the lens was individually optimized with stabilization. And you can't see the stabilization through the view finder which can make the framing more difficult for longer lenses which might be why Olympus doesn't offer anything past the 300mm range. However, the in body stabilization works well for lenses under 100mm..

Profborg wrote:.

Remember that the Olympus, Pentax and Sony options all have IS builtin, so it works with any lens you attach, making future lenses bothcheaper and lighter. Te Olympus is a solid option.Daniel..

Comment #22

Rjx wrote:.

I am not in any way saying that Olympus is not a solid option,especially for the new dslr user. But the in body stabilization isnot as good on telephoto lenses as lens stabilization is. You canimplement a general in body stabilization system which tries tostabilize every lens of different specs. However, the stabilizationwon't be as effective as it would be if the lens was individuallyoptimized with stabilization. And you can't see the stabilizationthrough the view finder which can make the framing more difficult forlonger lenses which might be why Olympus doesn't offer anything pastthe 300mm range. However, the in body stabilization works well forlenses under 100mm..

And your proof is?.

Neil.

Profborg wrote:.

Remember that the Olympus, Pentax and Sony options all have IS builtin, so it works with any lens you attach, making future lenses bothcheaper and lighter. Te Olympus is a solid option.Daniel..

Comment #23

300mm is also equivalent to 600mm on a 4/3s (35mm format), so that's quite a bit of reach IMO..

I really want the Pentax, but can't live with the small buffer. I think the 510 should serve me good, though...

Comment #24

So glad I waited to pull the trigger - got the e510 two lens kit from Meijer.com for $540 shipped !!!!!!.

Http://dealnews.com/...l-SLR-Camera-with-two-lenses-for-533-7-s-h/234393.html..

Comment #25

Obviously I am slightly biased but the Olympus kit lenses are the best by a good wayCheck out multiple reviews all over the web, They are recognised as superb , both the old kit and new compact kit lenses, However the 70 - 300 is due to become a kit lens soon for the e520 and that is even better and you get 140 - 600Bargain!!.

A couple from the old Olympus kit lenses 40 - 150 is first.

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And a serious crop from 14 - 45mm.

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And 14 - 45 @ 14mm (dark corner is my fault I didnt put the lens hood on correctly and havent edited it out yet!).

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Heres a crop from the 70 - 300 in poor lighting and at iso 400 on my e500.

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Regards.

Tim Hugheshttp://www.artwanted.com/timhughes..

Comment #26

Get the 510, I did a month ago and I am an absoloute beginer and love the camera. Unless you going to be a pro there is more than enough lenses to choose from. I have the 2 lens kit and pics are great, Very sharp. The 50-150 should be good for surfing pics. If you need moore zoom get the 70-300 which I am looking into also. I found a place that sells it for 312.00 new. Good luck...

Comment #27

Rjx wrote:.

For example, the 70-200.

F/4.0 = $600f/4.0 IS = $1100f/2.8 = $1190f/2.8 IS = $1699.

Instead of Canon only offering the f/2.8 IS which not everyone canafford, or can justify purchasing, Canon gave it's users options to beable to enjoy the 70-200's great Image quality for all budgets andneeds..

People that shoot mainly outside under the sun light would do greatwith just the f4.0, while someone who shoots indoors with lower lightwould rather use the f2.8. And if they shoot sports or fast movingobjects, the IS would be handy. Why pay for more than you need? Orwhy be forced to purchase a lens that is not as good as you wouldlike because thats all they offer in the focal range that you need?Personally, I love Canon's lens flexibility..

With Olympus, that flexibility is not needed, as all bodies have built in IS, and all lenses were specifically built for digital so there are no lemmings which are just film imports. You would be hard pressed to find a web reviewer slamming any Olympus lens, but would not have to look to far to find that happening with a Canon..

Imo, the Canon repeats offer lots of flexibility.4 x 70-2002 x 70-3002 x 75-3004 x 50mm3 x 24mm2 x 35mm2 x 85mm2 x 100mm2 x 135mm2 x 200mm3 x 400mm.

^^^ I didn't mention the 18-55 x2, no need. lol. So that leaves 28other lenses, which is 2 shy of Olympus's and Sigma's lenses combined!.

Including the Leica and Sigma offerings, there is now a total of 40 lenses for the 4/3's format. Stop spreading lies!.

Sigma offers 40 lenses for Canon, and only 8 duplicates.Tamron offers 26 lenses, and only 6 duplicates.The Sigma and Tamron lenses add a ton of flexibility for thosewishing to get serious about photography..

And for some of those Olympus lens, they are priced insanely high!Olympus 300mm f2.8 = $5894.95Compare to Canon 300mm f2.8 IS = $4100or.

These two are completely different lens'. The canon is 460mm EVF equivalent and the Olympus 600mm. As just about anybody will tell you, it is much more optically different to reach f2.8 at 600 than it is at 460mm. It is also heavier, larger not weather sealed. Most people that can afford a lens like this one will also likely be shooting FF and so will get roughly 420mm. Not so impressive anymore is it?.

Daniel..

Comment #28

Rjx wrote:.

I am not in any way saying that Olympus is not a solid option,especially for the new dslr user. But the in body stabilization isnot as good on telephoto lenses as lens stabilization is. You canimplement a general in body stabilization system which tries tostabilize every lens of different specs. However, the stabilizationwon't be as effective as it would be if the lens was individuallyoptimized with stabilization..

That is why the Olympus cameras include profiles for different lenses so that you can set the focal length for stabilisation..

And you can't see the stabilization.

Through the view finder which can make the framing more difficult forlonger lenses which might be why Olympus doesn't offer anything pastthe 300mm range..

Which is equivalent to 600mm. And Sigma offer an 800mm..

However, the in body stabilization works well for.

Lenses under 100mm..

As before, where is that proved?.

Profborg wrote:.

Remember that the Olympus, Pentax and Sony options all have IS builtin, so it works with any lens you attach, making future lenses bothcheaper and lighter. The Olympus is a solid option.Daniel.

Daniel..

Comment #29

Rjx wrote:.

However, the in body stabilization works well forlenses under 100mm..

In-lens is probably better for long lenses but most of us are happy to get 1/15sec at around 500mm..

It's good enough for us in-body users..

Bazz...

Comment #30

I am trying to decide between the Nikon D60 and the XTI..

I have read almost everything under the sun and it appears that both are almost the same camara. The only difference that I notice while trying both of these was that the canon was significantly faster than the Nikon D60 when the flash was used. Can anyone comment on this? Which of these two camara's has the best flash? which one take better quality pictures? If the flash function is better in the canon are there any features in the D60 that are significantly better than the XTI?... or is the XTI better than the D60 simply based on the fact that they are the same camara but the canon has the better flash?.

Also, at Ritz camara the sales person said that the XTI is being faded out and replaced by the XSI. Has anyone else heard this?.

I have actually already puchased the Nikon D60, however, I have 30 days to return it for the XTI. Any help would be greatly appreciated.lp..

Comment #31

The newer Canon 18-55 is supposed to be quite good. Oly is good; no comment on others. Sony, I've used in Konica Minolta guise, and didn't care for it; others have reported much better results. See:.

Http://www.mhohner.de/sony-minolta/18-70_vs_17-35.php.

Opinions of the Sony vary widely..

One comment, though, is about range. 18mm on the 1.5X crop cameras are slightly wider than 18mm on Canon (not much, but if it's your widest lens it might matter) but more importantly, the Sony & Oly get into portrait range; with the 18-55's you might find yourself wanting to switch to a tele frequently when shooting pictures of people. That or cropping and thereby losing any advantage..

If you really think you'll be using the kit lenses for a long time (and some of them are good enough that there's no reason not to) then I can see why you want to consider them..

- DennisGallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com..

Comment #32

Guidenet wrote:.

Sony! Hmmm.. my grandkids have a Play Station. Cheers, Craig.

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Profborg wrote:.

These two are completely different lens'. The canon is 460mm EVFequivalent and the Olympus 600mm. As just about anybody will tellyou, it is much more optically different to reach f2.8 at 600 than itis at 460mm.Daniel.

But it's not 600mm compared to 480mm, it's still 300mm compared to 300mm. You can't change physics. If you were able to mount the canon lens on a oly camera with an adapter would that make the canon 300mm have been optically more challenging to design/manufacture too?.

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