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DSLR Kit lens vs. G9 lens....which is better?
How are the quality of the Kit lens vs. the G9 lens? Would I get the same or even better image (since it's a dslr) quality from these kit lenses (Xti, D40, E-510)? I know the Oly lenses are really good, the Nikon is decent and what about the XTi? I'm getting close of getting a camera soon and if i'm going with these entry-level dslr I would have to stick with their Kit lens for a little while. I don't think I can afford $500+ lenses for now. I just don't want to be disappointed with and regrets of not getting the G9 in the first place..

If you were me, which one would you buy?.

Canon XTi + Kit lens (might get the 50mm f/1.8 later on) : $583Nikon D40 + Kit lens + SB400 = $582Nikon D40 + Kit lens + 50mm f/1.8 (easy to focus?) = $586Olympus E-510 + 14-42mm lens = $565Olympus E-410 + 2 Kit lens = $550G9 (no regret?) = $437..

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G9 = small sensor with lot of MP = Lot of noise..

That won't happen with a DSLR. Also DSLR will give you a lot more options..

Why don't you consider this combo from amazon:.

D40 kit + 55-200 VR + UV filter + additional lowepro camera strap + lowepro top load mini camera bag = 574.00.

You can add to that combo:SB-400 flash for 107.00Remote control for 14.00Kingston SD elite pro 55x 2 GB for 25.00And any bag of your preference to take all that..

'Attitude is a little thing that can make big differences'.

Fujifilm Finepix E550 and F20Nikon D40 and 55-200 VR...

Comment #1

Zeol1 wrote:.

G9 = small sensor with lot of MP = Lot of noise..

That won't happen with a DSLR. Also DSLR will give you a lot moreoptions..

You haven't answered my question though; are the kit lens better than the G9? I know any lens other than the kit lenses will blow the G9 away, but that wasn't my question..

Why don't you consider this combo from amazon:.

D40 kit + 55-200 VR + UV filter + additional lowepro camera strap +lowepro top load mini camera bag = 574.00.

But this is after rebate right? I hate rebates..

You can add to that combo:SB-400 flash for 107.00Remote control for 14.00Kingston SD elite pro 55x 2 GB for 25.00And any bag of your preference to take all that..

I'm just starting out and in tight budget and will just stay with the basic for now like the kit lens. Eventually, if I ended up loving photography, I would spend more later on..

Thanks for replying...

Comment #2

Spade357 wrote:.

You haven't answered my question though; are the kit lens better thanthe G9? I know any lens other than the kit lenses will blow the G9away, but that wasn't my question..

I will give you much better results. Only bad thing is that it doesn't have IS, not a big deal anyway if you want you can but the VR version later. Also you have the option to change lenses, in the G9 you won't have that option..

But this is after rebate right? I hate rebates..

There is a 100.00 instant rebate when you purchase the D40(x) with 55-200 VR or 70-300 VR lens. You should see the rebate at the check out. This instant rebate will be only available until 12-31-2007..

Be sure to look for the lens with VR (vibration reduction) as there is a similar lens without VR. This feature is a very good thing to have..

Thanks for replying..

'Attitude is a little thing that can make big differences'.

Fujifilm Finepix E550 and F20Nikon D40 and 55-200 VR...

Comment #3

Spade357 wrote:.

How are the quality of the Kit lens vs. the G9 lens? Would I get thesame or even better image (since it's a dslr) quality from these kitlenses (Xti, D40, E-510)? I know the Oly lenses are really good, theNikon is decent and what about the XTi? I'm getting close of gettinga camera soon and if i'm going with these entry-level dslr I wouldhave to stick with their Kit lens for a little while. I don't think ican afford $500+ lenses for now. I just don't want to be disappointedwith and regrets of not getting the G9 in the first place..

If you were me, which one would you buy?.

Canon XTi + Kit lens (might get the 50mm f/1.8 later on) : $583Nikon D40 + Kit lens + SB400 = $582Nikon D40 + Kit lens + 50mm f/1.8 (easy to focus?) = $586Olympus E-510 + 14-42mm lens = $565Olympus E-410 + 2 Kit lens = $550G9 (no regret?) = $437.

Different things..

In good light the G9 will probably do as well as the Kit lens for any dslr...better some times...trouble is that most people who buy a dslr do not only shoot in good light..

There wll be situations when it would be preferable to have a G9....for me that is not often. Plus if you need a different solution you just buy another lens. My last purchase for my Pentax is an old manual focus 80-250 3.8-4 zoom that is not toooo bad and a lot of fun, is stabilised....and cost me $27 Australian!.

Neil..

Comment #4

I'd be willing to bet all the entry level DSLR camera's lenses would whoomp the G9's lens, that and in every other aspect except size, portablity, zoom ratio (of kit lens), and max aperture (of kit lens)...

Comment #5

Spade357 wrote:.

How are the quality of the Kit lens vs. the G9 lens? Would I get thesame or even better image (since it's a dslr) quality from these kitlenses (Xti, D40, E-510)? I know the Oly lenses are really good, theNikon is decent and what about the XTi? I'm getting close of gettinga camera soon and if i'm going with these entry-level dslr I wouldhave to stick with their Kit lens for a little while. I don't think ican afford $500+ lenses for now. I just don't want to be disappointedwith and regrets of not getting the G9 in the first place..

I don't have a G9, and I tend to shoot with the higher priced medium level Olympus lenses, but I have shot with the E-510 kit lenses for a bit. You are right, the Olympus lenses have a good reputation..

There are some things to consider:.

The G9 lens is faster than the kit lenses on the E-510, but the sensor is smaller, and likely noisier than the E-510. This means you will likely need to bump the ISO on the E-510 compared to the G9, but it probably will give you similar pictures..

If you shoot indoors on most of the cameras/lenses mentioned, you likely will need to use the flash..

DSLRs tend to expect the users to do more post processing than p&s cameras. Ultimately this will result in much better pictures, but if you weren't prepared to do it, it can be a shock to the system..

All cameras have lots of different defaults. No matter what camera you pick, spend some time playing with the defaults, to get the picture quality YOU want..

DSLRs have a noisy shutter which might be a factor in some type of shots..

Go to the store, and handle the cameras, and find the one that you prefer. You want to find a camera that feels good in your hands. Its best if you can find a store with good salesfolk, and not some kid that was selling stereos yesterday and will sell computers tomorrow. Note, I generally try to buy from stores that let me handle cameras in person, rather than trying it out, and then going elsewhere to save a buck..

The dpreview review states that even at low ISO, noise is visible on the G9. For prints and reduced for the web, it isn't a factor, but if you look at any of the cameras at full resolution, you can get worried about noise, etc...

Comment #6

In good daylight on normal and moderate sized prints there is little difference between a good P&S like the G9 and a DSLR with any lens..

The minute you start reaching the DSLR sensor starts to show it's quality. If you must crop heavily or shoot at above base ISO there is no competition. This is not to rubbish good P&S cameras, but the quality gap is there. At high ISOs ( 400 and above ) this is the difference between night and day..

DSLRs are also faster ( particularly focus and shot-to-shot )..

Kit lenses are not well respected by pros and enthusiasts. This is not to say they are not good lenses. They will equal or better the quality of a P&S lens.. A few are actually very good ( the D40/D40xx 18-55 kit and the Olympus 14-42 spring to mind )..

I'd suggest you compare studio and samples shots from reviews of entry level DSLRs and compacts like the G9, A640, F30 and TZ3 to see what the difference is. On Dpreview DSLR studio shots use high quality 50mm primes, so the DSLRs have an additional advantage..

StephenG.

Pentax K100DFuji S5200Fuji E900PCLinuxOS..

Comment #7

Having moved this year from the Canon G6 to a Nikon D40x the picture quality difference is very obvious to me. But I would advise it depends if you will actually see the difference in quality. I did as I'm a bit of a nerd and scrutinise my pctures on a 30" Dell monitor, but previously I didn't see much difference on my old 21" CRT monitor or when printing on my modest A4 bubble jet printer. The PQ increase really is there but only you can work out if it's worth the extra cost and hassle to you of a DSLR over the smaller G9..

I still have the occasional doubt when I lug arrround a heavy shoulder bag on days out or point a huge SLR at apprehensive relatives, but the near instant focusing of the D40x is so good compared the painfull waiting and frequent missing of the G6 + controllable zooming by hand rather than the frustrating 12 step button..

Regards,.

Steve..

Comment #8

The oly kit lenses are excellent. However I'm not sure that you are actually asking the right question. I am assuming that you are asking which will give the best image quality. The lens is only part of the system..

IMO almost ANY of the DSLRs with the kit lens will generally provide better OVERALL IQ then the G9. There may be one or two "type" of shots where they would be comparable, but overall the DSLR will win..

MaddogOlympus E-500, Olympus E-510..

Comment #9

Below is the optical performance of G9:http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/G9/G9A4.HTMBelow is E410 kit:http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E410/E410A4.HTMBelow is XTi:http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/XTI/XTIA4.HTMBelow is D40x:http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D40X/D40XA4.HTMBelow is K10D:http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/K10D/K10DA4.HTM.

Based on above G9 has the best lens (less corner softness, fringing, comparable distortion while having more zoom) followed by E410's kit, then Nikon's, Pentax and last is XTi.Below is Lieica Lens (Panasonic L10's kit)http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/K10D/K10DA4.HTM.

Seems to be the best kit lens but not by wide margin (over E410's, but not as good as G9's)..

Spade357 wrote:.

Zeol1 wrote:.

G9 = small sensor with lot of MP = Lot of noise..

That won't happen with a DSLR. Also DSLR will give you a lot moreoptions..

You haven't answered my question though; are the kit lens better thanthe G9? I know any lens other than the kit lenses will blow the G9away, but that wasn't my question..

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

Comment #10

Forgot to add that Sony A100's kit is also one of the better one's (just behind E410/E510's)http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/AA100/AA100A4.HTMBest Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

Comment #11

You'll get a better image overall, and the best kit lenses on the market. Not to mention you'll never have that annoying shutter lag the 'G's' have (I'm a G3 owner, so I know)..

With an E410, you'll also get less noise, higher iso performance, much less CA, better dynamic range. PLUS! when you can afford better lenses, you can buy them for the E410..

You really are comparing apples and oranges..

Take a look at this link to a photo I took with an Olympus E500 and a kit lens - I'm pretty proud of it. But I could never get this photo with a P&S. The wind was gusting with just fractions of a second where the flower was still, and I had to recognize that the flower wasn't moving and take the shot. The G series shutter lag would have made that photo impossible. The overall sharpness speaks for itself..

Http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6050975.

Don't get me wrong, I love and still use my G3, it's a great P&S for a serious photographer. And there are times when it is the perfect tool for a given shot. But it most definitely is NOT the equivalent of a DSLR..

STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

Comment #12

If you buy only one camera, don't start from G9, G9 this camera for people who already have dSLRStill Life Photographyhttp://www.photoshutter.ca..

Comment #13

Based on all your posts, I think I will lean toward the entry-level dslr. I love how the G9 looks, but I know I would be missing a lot for not going dslr. I just worry about the out of box image quality of the kit lenses vs. the G9, but since most of you said the entry level kit lenses are better, I think I would buy a dslr instead..

As much as I love the Nikon D40 overall out of the box, I think I would go with the Canon XTi for it's system; there are a lot of used quality lenses i've seen for sale on the market compare to the Nikon. Does the XTi have more issues than the D40?.

Thanks for being helpful guys..

Happy Holidays to everyone...

Comment #14

Spade357 wrote:.

Based on all your posts, I think I will lean toward the entry-leveldslr. I love how the G9 looks, but I know I would be missing a lotfor not going dslr. I just worry about the out of box image qualityof the kit lenses vs. the G9, but since most of you said the entrylevel kit lenses are better, I think I would buy a dslr instead..

As much as I love the Nikon D40 overall out of the box, I think iwould go with the Canon XTi for it's system; there are a lot of usedquality lenses i've seen for sale on the market compare to the Nikon.Does the XTi have more issues than the D40?.

Thanks for being helpful guys..

Happy Holidays to everyone..

Please visit a store and operate all the camera's you're interested in. They have different control layouts and different feels to them. The operation and feel of the camera is of primary importance. I don't think you can go far wrong with any entry level slr on the market today..

Happy Holiday's to you and yours...

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