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Hi everyone,.

I'm wanting to start taking some more profesional looking surf action shots, and have realised I need a dslr camera, and most likely a telephoto lens ...... I know, not the cheapest type of photography to get into..

Here is my situation, any advice would be most welcome..

Until now i've just been using a compact, taking photos of a mixture of random subjects, which has been fine. But i've finally decided I want to start trying to take some nice close up surf action shots (like you see in the surf magazines). I live in a coastal town that has lots of good amature surfers, quality waves, and hosts profesional surf competitions anually, so there is always lots of oppertunties for surf photography..

I realise the only way I can get quality surf shots from the beach is to get a big lens (most surf photographers I see are using telephoto lenses it seems), and therefore a dslr. Since I need to buy a dslr to take these shots i'm thinking I might as well get into other types of photography also, to try and get the most out of the camera I buy. So I would probably also like to use it for scenic/panoramic shots, maybe some nature, macro, and other sports/action if I can, my brother is in a band so to get some shots of the band (dark indoors) would be good too, (but my main focus will be surfing)..

I'm thinking to just get an entry level camera to start with, and maybe in the future I could upgrade the body if I really get into it, but it would be good if I could keep the same lenses, as it is likely I could end up spending more on the lenses than on the body..

So here are my thoughts so far,.

The cameras i've been considering are the Canon EOS 400D, Nikon D40x, and the Pentax K100D super, or K10D. I would also like to research the Olympus E-410 a bit more, or any other sugestions people have..

It seems the Canon and Nikon have a bigger range of lenses, but I have herd good things about the Pentax also..

As far as features go, there seems to be nothing major that the 400D, or the D40x have that the k100D doesn't have, and of course the k100d has the better price..

Becasue I am intending to take action shots, is a high FPS count needed/of any benifit or will the 3fps +/- of the entry levels be suficient? I'm wanting to take good still shots (not movies) at the end of the day..... but it's nice to take some good action sequences every now and then..

What about lenses? has anyone had any experience shooting surfing? is there any chance a regular zoom lens will be enough, or is telephoto the only option? Any recomendations on a lower priced (entry level???) lenses that would be suitable?.

Thanks for reading..

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Hi:.

JPG Magazine has an action theme this month. Coincidentally, one of the areas it covered is surf..

Read more about that here:.

Http://www.jpgmag.com/stories/225.

That should give you a good primer..

A correspondent photographer who works with me is a surfer/surf photographer. I believe he will use a 200-400 or maybe the sigma 50-500 when he shoots from shore. But he's also used a Nikonos for in-water shots..

I'm sure you'll get lots of good advice about picking equipment from later posters. Hope this helps a little too..

'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'..

Comment #1

Hi thanks for your help,.

Interesting article, i've actualy got a waterproof compact that I use for some water shots, but I get too cold waiting out in the water, it's also pretty hard to get into a good position to get the shot. I have a lot of respect for those surf water photographers. it's a tough gig, but some of the shots they get are amazing...

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If you go with Canon I would go with the 400 F5.6 - the image quality afforded by it's single focal length will help, and you won't need anything shorter. The lens is about $1000. If you have unlimited funds the 500 F4 L or 600 F4L would be better, but they're $5500-$6500 each.Some cool cats that can use your helphttp://www.wildlife-sanctuary.org.

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EdgerH wrote:.

Hi everyone,.

I'm wanting to start taking some more profesional looking surf actionshots, and have realised I need a dslr camera, and most likely atelephoto lens ...... I know, not the cheapest type of photography toget into..

Here is my situation, any advice would be most welcome..

Until now i've just been using a compact, taking photos of a mixtureof random subjects, which has been fine. But i've finally decided iwant to start trying to take some nice close up surf action shots(like you see in the surf magazines). I live in a coastal town thathas lots of good amature surfers, quality waves, and hostsprofesional surf competitions anually, so there is always lots ofoppertunties for surf photography..

I realise the only way I can get quality surf shots from the beach isto get a big lens (most surf photographers I see are using telephotolenses it seems), and therefore a dslr. Since I need to buy a dslrto take these shots i'm thinking I might as well get into other typesof photography also, to try and get the most out of the camera I buy.So I would probably also like to use it for scenic/panoramic shots,maybe some nature, macro, and other sports/action if I can, mybrother is in a band so to get some shots of the band (dark indoors)would be good too, (but my main focus will be surfing)..

I'm thinking to just get an entry level camera to start with, andmaybe in the future I could upgrade the body if I really get into it,but it would be good if I could keep the same lenses, as it is likelyi could end up spending more on the lenses than on the body..

So here are my thoughts so far,.

The cameras i've been considering are the Canon EOS 400D, Nikon D40x,and the Pentax K100D super, or K10D. I would also like to researchthe Olympus E-410 a bit more, or any other sugestions people have..

It seems the Canon and Nikon have a bigger range of lenses, but Ihave herd good things about the Pentax also..

As far as features go, there seems to be nothing major that the 400D,or the D40x have that the k100D doesn't have, and of course the k100dhas the better price..

Becasue I am intending to take action shots, is a high FPS countneeded/of any benifit or will the 3fps +/- of the entry levels besuficient? I'm wanting to take good still shots (not movies) at theend of the day..... but it's nice to take some good action sequencesevery now and then..

What about lenses? has anyone had any experience shooting surfing?is there any chance a regular zoom lens will be enough, or istelephoto the only option? Any recomendations on a lower priced(entry level???) lenses that would be suitable?.

Thanks for reading.

Hi.

As much as I love my K100d I would NOT use it for this unless I was very very careful....the same goes for all the most of the others you mention....all would be ok but for careful and infrequent use only (imo).

The ONE exception is the Pentax K10dThis thread says a lothttp://forums.dpreview.com/...forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=25973020.

Otherwise you would need a much more expensive camera. I do think the original Oly E1 may be ok as well..

Then we come to lenses....

Neil..

Comment #4

Neil holmes wrote:.

Otherwise you would need a much more expensive camera. I do thinkthe original Oly E1 may be ok as well..

Umm, yes, on the provision that you get a HLD-2 battery grip to go with it, complete with the special BLL-1 3400mAh battery and the BCL-1 charger, all sold in a single package called SHLD-2 for about $120. On the E-1 itself you can get tremenduously good deals (with prices as low as $200) now that many owners are upgrading to the E-3..

(The SHLD-2 battery pack is needed because the BLL-1 battery provides for much faster C-AF than the standard BLM-1 the E-1 is sold with.) Make sure to read the following post on how to set up the E-1 for best C-AF performance:http://forums.dpreview.com/...forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=24020384.

A lens to go with it could be the Zuiko Digital ED 50-200mm f/2.8-3.5 (going for about $850) or it's soon to be released SWD variant, which makes focusing even faster. Getting an EC-14 1.4x teleconverter along with it is a good idea..

Frame rates faster than 3fps are not as important as fast and accurate C-AF...

Comment #5

EdgerH wrote:.

Hi everyone,.

A sigma 50-500 might suit you well. You'll probably want a mono-pod for it. For the body 5fps would be nice, but 3 would suffice for starters (and depending on your style of shooting might be ok later too). Best to ask surf photographers for advice. (sportshooters.com?). You might find that a wet suit is a great photography gadget-you'll get more mileage out of your waterproof camera that way..

You asked about "a regular zoom lens". I think you'll want to be long-very long for surfing. That means a 70-200 + a teleconverter won't cut it. If that's what you care about you'll want to be able to get close. Of course there can be great shots with huge waves and a tiny figure which don't require a tight shot, but I think most people will want the option of getting a person to fill a lot of the frame..

For the band photography get a fast (large aperture) prime (non-zoom) lens. For the canon line there is a 50 1.8 that is good. Bump the ISO way up (3200) and you'll get some noise, but you'll get the shot. That's why having a sensor that works well at high ISOs gives you a lot of flexibility..

You could get (in the canon line again which I'm familiar with) a 100-400IS. It's pricier than the sigma and less range on the long end which I'm sure will hurt with respect to surfing. But it's likely to be a lot pleasanter to use as a more general purpose lense. But it doesn't let in too much light so it's not as versatile-it won't be used at all indoors (in most cases) due to it's long focal length and limited light gathering ability..

In canon world-start lens of 18-55IS, 50 1.8, and some long focal length solution. Pair this with a body to suit your budget and you've started..

Don't forget to budget for the digital darkroom-photoshop or photoshop elements, some tool to manage a lot of photos (IMatch, Lightroom, etc...). Compact flash cards, maybe an external flash (I like to use the 50 1.8 without flash, but bouncing a flash can be a flexible alternative)...

Comment #6

I would suggest that you look into a used 1DMKII or the Nikon equivilant and used 400- 600mm lenses. Suggest looking at the Fred Miranda sight..

Stevehttp://vette74.smugmug.com..

Comment #7

Hi, thanks everyone,.

From what I have read seems like the pentax k10 will be pretty good for my needs, and seems good value too..

As for the sugestions... well I have a wetsuite, but it still can get cold if I stay out too long, a bit better now though as we are in summer (i live on the south east coast of australia)..

Thanks for the settings advice on band photography. I actually went along to the gig on saturday night with my P&S I had a bit of a play around with the settings, but they are a bit limited..

Used gear - have considerd this also, but so far I haven't found anything to be a great deal cheaper than a lot of the new gear. I will continue searching..

Merry xmas people..

Comment #8

I found a Canon EOS 350D with EF-S 18-55mm and EF 75-300mm all for AUD$790.

So far this is the only used DSLR I have found..

Seems like there is a few mixed reviews on this set up..

Any thoughts comments?.

Cheers..

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Http://www.pbase.com/funtasy/image/81195820.

Ideal for surfing, just what the doctor ordered )).

OK, to be fair and impartial there's also a.

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Http://www.mir.com.my/...ompanies/nikon/nikkoresources/zoomsMF/12001700mm.htm.

But this one lacks autofocus....

Http://lordofthelens.smugmug.com/..

Comment #10

Offiand, I think I've read reports that the 75-300 is a poor performer. I'd keep looking...

Comment #11

EdgerH wrote:I realise the only way I can get quality surf shots from the beach isto get a big lens (most surf photographers I see are using telephotolenses it seems), and therefore a dslr. Since I need to buy a dslrto take these shots i'm thinking I might as well get into other typesof photography also, to try and get the most out of the camera I buy.So I would probably also like to use it for scenic/panoramic shots,maybe some nature, macro, and other sports/action if I can, mybrother is in a band so to get some shots of the band (dark indoors)would be good too, (but my main focus will be surfing)..

Advantage to dSLR in that it allows specialty lenses appropriate for the circumstances..

I'm thinking to just get an entry level camera to start with, andmaybe in the future I could upgrade the body if I really get into it,but it would be good if I could keep the same lenses, as it is likelyi could end up spending more on the lenses than on the body..

Yes, eventually one will have more invested in the glass than the camera body so this aspect should be a factor in which system one goes with. Good approach in starting out with an 'entry level body' and learning good technique. Progressing up with better glass as your experience increases means upgrading the body will be the less expensive way to increase to better 'tools'....

Becasue I am intending to take action shots, is a high FPS countneeded/of any benifit or will the 3fps +/- of the entry levels besuficient? I'm wanting to take good still shots (not movies) at theend of the day..... but it's nice to take some good action sequencesevery now and then..

In sports, one can anticipate using burst mode to take a fast sequence of images as the event progresses. This will increase the odds of a 'keeper or two' being imaged. Starting out, the operator experience and technique is usually the limiting factor; more so than the equipment. Yes, professional/expensive equipment will offer more potential (higher FPS, for example) but it's still the operator that has the control of the circumstances..

What about lenses? has anyone had any experience shooting surfing?is there any chance a regular zoom lens will be enough, or istelephoto the only option? Any recomendations on a lower priced(entry level???) lenses that would be suitable?.

My suggestion would be to start within your limited budget with any of the bodies you mentioned and obtain a used Bigma and a fast fixed prime. The Bigma will get you a useful 10X range that will cover a large number of shooting circumstances at the beach - including surfers/landscapes/individuals and the fast 35 f/2 or 50 f/1.8 will cover low light/indoors. Eventually, a 18-200 VR is a great walk-around lens but for surfing you'll really need the long end..

Not the greatest images but an example of the versatility of the Bigma's 10X range at the beach and elsewhere....

50mm.

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500mm.

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Add a $135 Kenko Proo 300 1.4X TC for longer yet reach...105mm EQ (Note surfers at pier...).

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1050mm EQ.

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And, when opportunities present themselves....

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Others, of course, will have their own valid opinions but the Bigma has been a valuable system for my range of shooting..

Telecorder (Dave)FZee30+RD-S+OlyTC1.7XDee50+Nikon 35mm F2.0D-AF+Nikkor18-70DX+Tam70-300L+BIGMA 50-500 EX HSMMy Image Galleries.

Http://www.nikonians-images.com/...hp?cat=500&ppuser=121399&password=.

Http://Telecorder.smugmug.com/.

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Comment #12

I'm shooting surf and windsurf with my K10D. I am mainly using a 50 year old 300/f5.6 manual lens and getting some good results. I choose the K10D thinking that the new DA* 300/4 would be available by now. I'm on the fence as to wait for the 300 or get the Bigma now..

If you want professional quality you will probably want to go with Canon. There are a lot more long focal length lenses available, plus underwater housings, which many pros use..

Here are some of the results that I am getting with my setup. The first shot is with the 50-200, the remaining are with the 300. Check out my flickr page for more. http://flickr.com/photos/2chicos/sets/72157603404504871/ and http://flickr.com/photos/2chicos/sets/72157603408561065/.

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Http://www.flickr.com/photos/2chicos/..

Comment #13

Haha wow!! I could probably shoot from my balcony with those bad boys...

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