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daughters recital, help please
I will be shooting my daughters first ever dance recital today. I assume many of you have done this before so I am hoping you can lend a few pointers. what lens/body combo would be best? I can use flash (at least today at the rehearsal, but not tomorrow at actually recital). should I use flash, not use flash? should I jack up iso on d300 to 800,1250,1600? shutter speed, aperture priority, shutter priority? should I set auto iso at 1600, 3200, should I set shutter at at least 1/125, 1/200 etc? thanks for any advice you can give....id really like to nail this for my daughter/us!!i have the following:.

D300d80sb600sigma 24-60mm f/2.8sigma 70-200mm f/2.818-200mm VR..

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Any kind of motion under the lights you'd normally see at a such an event is going to give you blur. That's not bad if it's what you are going for, but you probably are going to need/want flash. I'd try some shots with the 300 set around 800-1200. If she doesn't perform early, take a bunch of practice shots on the other kids to see what works. Just keep in mind what color her outfit is when evaluating the practice shots...

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Mrfizzed wrote:.

I will be shooting my daughters first ever dance recital today. iassume many of you have done this before so I am hoping you can lenda few pointers. what lens/body combo would be best? I can use flash(at least today at the rehearsal, but not tomorrow at actuallyrecital). should I use flash, not use flash? should I jack up iso ond300 to 800,1250,1600? shutter speed, aperture priority, shutterpriority? should I set auto iso at 1600, 3200, should I set shutterat at least 1/125, 1/200 etc? thanks for any advice you cangive....id really like to nail this for my daughter/us!!i have the following:.

D300d80sb600sigma 24-60mm f/2.8sigma 70-200mm f/2.818-200mm VR.

Take both bodies with the f/2.8 lenses. Use bounce flash if there's a low, white ceiling. Set ISO as high as you need to get the shot. Program mode should be fine..

You'd need about 1/250 to freeze the action. You probably won't have that much light unless you use flash. Instead, try to time pauses in the motion and use more like 1/60 or 1/125...

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Mrfizzed wrote:.

D300d80sb600sigma 24-60mm f/2.8sigma 70-200mm f/2.818-200mm VR.

I've shot my daughters dance for many, many years. It's not going to be perfect your first time, it takes practice. But here's what I've learned:.

You want at least f/2.8 glass. Faster if you have it (f/1.4 - 1.8), it gets really dark in there..

I switch between Aperture Priority and Shutter priority depending on the lighting for the current dance, I do this to keep the shutter speeds up. You can try P mode, but I never use it so no advice there..

As said, you want at least 1/250 to stop action. If you get that and faster, good. But, expect more in the 1/60 to 1/125 range and plan to shoot during the slower parts..

For ISO, it's probably going to be between 800-1600. I change mine as needed on the fly.

Really, shooting dance recitals takes practice, but if you know your camera it's not that hard..

The one key tip: Keep your shutter speed as fast as possible. Keep that in mind, and you'll come out okay..

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Thanks for the help. ive never used p mode, always a or s. I'm thinking about aperture priority with minimum shutter set at 125 or so and iso at 1250 or even 1600. ill take some test shots. thanks again and any other advice I would appreciate!..

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Use both cams each with an f/2.8 lensShoot RAWWB - incandescent (and no flash)ISO 1600 (Maybe higher on the D300)Shutter prioritySingle Area Single servo AF.

I use Matrix Metering and 1/100th for theatre and drag the shutter by about 1/2 a stop to do so. You will need to try to keep speed up to 1/200th (unless capturing a frozen pose) - Even more difficult!.

Try to use luminace only brightening in PP. RGB brightening will bring up the noise..

A monopod would help or a tripod and T bar to mount both cams on. I use both regularly..

Before the next recital get yourself a 50mm f/1.4 lens and/or maybe an 85mm f/1.8. you may be better off with one of those on each camera..

Chris Elliott.

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Cybrid wrote:.

For ISO, it's probably going to be between 800-1600. I change mine asneeded on the fly.

No way will you get away with less than ISO 1600 with an f/2.8 zoom.

....The one key tip: Keep your shutter speed as fast as possible. Keepthat in mind, and you'll come out okay..

Which is why you must use ISO 1600.

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

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Chris Elliott wrote:.

Cybrid wrote:.

For ISO, it's probably going to be between 800-1600. I change mine asneeded on the fly.

No way will you get away with less than ISO 1600 with an f/2.8 zoom.

Wouldn't that be entirely dependent on the lighting ? .

The one key tip: Keep your shutter speed as fast as possible. Keepthat in mind, and you'll come out okay..

Which is why you must use ISO 1600.

I shot my daughters recital recently and used Auto ISO max'd at 1600 and the camera rarely got up to ISO 1600; now shutter speeds were typically around 1/160th - 1/200th but at 1/250th, ISO 1600 still would not have been required. Guess not all recitals use the same lighting !.

I shot the rehearsal from front row and 28-75/2.8 was ideal. I shot the recital from the balcony (on tripod). Flash was not allowed during the performance, and the shutter would have been enormously distracting if I were sitting in the audience. One thing if you're shooting a dozen pictures while your daughter is on stage, but if shooting a lot (I shot a few hundred because I was asked to shoot the entire recital, consisting of 7 or 8 classes) I'd try to get away. From the balcony, I shot with 85/1.4 and cropped from 12MP - a 70-200/2.8 would have been ideal up there. Down low (front row) I found better for individuals, while the balcony gave me a great view for large groups of dancers - the higher perspective separates them front to back).



All that said, just blindly setting ISO to 1600 and aperture to f/2.8 to max your shutter speed is probably a fine way to go (on the D300 at least - and probably on the D80 as well) particularly since you've got a long enough lens to avoid cropping..

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Chris Elliott wrote:.

Cybrid wrote:.

For ISO, it's probably going to be between 800-1600. I change mine asneeded on the fly.

No way will you get away with less than ISO 1600 with an f/2.8 zoom.

Guess again. Depends on the current dance, the auditorium, and the stage lighting at the time. I've 'gotten away' with ISO 400 at times. It's always different and always changing. Note that I also said I change as needed on the fly..

The one key tip: Keep your shutter speed as fast as possible. Keepthat in mind, and you'll come out okay..

Which is why you must use ISO 1600.

Again, entirely dependent on the current dance and lighting at the time. You 'must' use what you can reliably get away with. Sometimes, believe it or not, it can be less than ISO 1600..

But don't listen to me, I've been shooting my daughters recitals and comps for over 10 years. Figure I must be doing something right. .

Chris Elliott.

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Dennis wrote:.

Wouldn't that be entirely dependent on the lighting ? .

Anything short of daylight the priority has to be to keep your speed up. Getting rid of motion blur is next to impossible. Anything else is doable. If this is stage lighting you will need ISO 1600..

The one key tip: Keep your shutter speed as fast as possible. Keepthat in mind, and you'll come out okay..

Which is why you must use ISO 1600.

I shot my daughters recital recently and used Auto ISO max'd at 1600and the camera rarely got up to ISO 1600; now shutter speeds weretypically around 1/160th - 1/200th but at 1/250th, ISO 1600 stillwould not have been required. Guess not all recitals use the samelighting !.

What lens? How wide? How many bodies are you capturing? Sure you can get a shot of a solo ballet dancer dressed in white under spot lighting with less than ISO 1600 (and use Spot metering) for that but my experience of these things is that the lighting changes by the second and there is frenetic activity and large numbers and half the time the corners of the stage are not well lt..

An example:.

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D80 ISO 1600 f/2.8 1/160th at 70mm and cropped to fill the frame..

Getting a spot reading of those little ladies as they flew through the air would have been impossible..

The general nature of these things if you are capturing the whole event is that you have not got a clue what is going to happen next. If you are set with ISO 1600 and S mode circa 1/250th you are ready for anything that comes..

Of course static shots are different:.

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My daughter from a few years ago - Olympus E20 ISO 320 f3.2 1/60th.

...All that said, just blindly setting ISO to 1600 and aperture to f/2.8to max your shutter speed is probably a fine way to go (on the D300at least - and probably on the D80 as well) particularly since you'vegot a long enough lens to avoid cropping..

Like you I have shot the entire event. I wish on such occasions I had been invited to the rehearsal to enable me to plan and anticipate but that never happens..

I regularly use ISO 1600 on the D80 (and D50) shooting opera e.g:.

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D80 ISO 1600 f3.2 1/125th Nikkor 80-200 f/2.8 at 80mm.

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

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I have been trying to respond to your post for the last 5+ hours but I am having trouble with my computer. You are probably home from the recital by now so all I can do is tell you what you should have done. (lol).

I would have suggested using Auto ISO if the lighting was not constant..

I hope your pictures came out well..

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N/TChris Elliott.

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