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D80 vs D200
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I am new to DSLR, planning to buy Nikon D80 or D200, some friends say get the D80 because it is cheaper and is the same as D200, other friends say no there is huge difference between them and better get D200..

This got me confused, I went to Jessops and I had no answer to my question. However a member of staff at Jessops gave me this site and said to me check it, they are more experts than us !!!, so here I am what do you recommend..

Bearing in mind I am not professional photographer but I like to have a good camera and take some nice pictures..

Price wise I can easily afford D80, D200 I will be able to but I have to push myself to a certain limit.Thanks..

Comments (19)

In terms of features the D200 has a faster frame rate, more direct access to AF setting changes and allows storage of user determined presets. The body is also more weatherproof..

My advice is that you should spend as little as you need on the body and as much as you can afford on lenses. Bodies get superceeded. Lenses less so..

So unless you are taking lots of fast action sport outdoors the D80 may be better for you (and if you were you would need expensive glass anyway which might not be in your budget.).

Unless you have special photography needs (lots of low light work like concerts or indoor sports or macro work like shooting bugs) get:.

D80 with 18-135 kit lensA fast 2GB SD card (Sandisk Extreme III or the like)A lens cap keeperA Rocket blowerA lens pen.

And nothing else until you have sused out your other needs if any..

Hold off buying a bag (a small freezer bag will do for a month or two!). Good bags cost a lot and you need a feel for how much gear you are going to carry before you spend much so brows the shops but do not spend until later. Then you will know how much space to allow for extra lenses, spare batteries, flash etc etc. (I got my latest pro bag used of Ebay for 29. Much better value than buying new!).

You may want to acquire an external flash, long telephoto lens, a good low light wide-angle etc etc. Don't do it until you have had the camera for a month or two at least..

There is an excellent 700 page manual on CD that tells you much more than the Nikon user guide which can be purchased here:.

Http://www.bythom.com/d80guide.htm.

There are a couple of decent online sellers on Ebay selling from Edinburgh or Glasgow. Take a look at their prices. They are likely to be better prices than Jessops. Certainly do not buy an SD card from Jessops you can get them much cheaper..

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

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Comment #1

In my opinion you should get the D80 and put the money saved towards a second lens (or a better first lens). The D200 will not take better pictures than the D80: you won't be able to tell the difference. It is much heavier-duty and rugged, with a faster burst mode for sports / action photography, aimed at people who give their cameras heavy use..

As a beginner to DSLRs the D80 will offer you everything you want / need for a long time (until it is obsolete)! For the 300 saving compared to the D200 you could get a tele zoom like the Nikkor 55-200 VR (about 200) to complement the 18-55 kit lens, and still have some change. Or you could get the D80 body and put the 18-135 lens on it..

Well, that's what I'd do....

Best wishesMike..

Comment #2

For most hoppy application the performance of the 2 are likely to be very similar..

2 points:.

- If you have a lot of old non AF Nikkon lenses, than the D200 has the advantage that the meter will work. Wit the the D80 you are "limited" to AF-lenses (which are around for +/- 20 years).

- the D200 is heavier. So you are more likely to leave it at home for convinience. The best photos are always taken with the camera you are having with you.....

I gues you are better of with the D80 ... spend the difference on a trip to a place worth taking pictures off..

Cheers.

R...

Comment #3

For the sake of being devils advocate.....

Why do you need a D80 or a D200 ? .

To take generally good photos and make reasonably sized prints ( up to A3 really ) a D40 will do fine. It's a generally good all round performer and a well featured DSLR..

The D80 is faster, more robust and has many attractive features which I suspect you would never use. The extra resolution would be of some advantage in cropping, but I think most people don't crop that much. Even then unless you print very large a D40 ought to be fine..

The D200 is a serious pro camera, as significant a step up from the D80 as the D80 is form the D40. It's weather sealed and heavier still than the D80, which is heavier than the D40..

Save the money for later additional extras ( tripod, memory cards, lenses, bags and even travel to places to photograph ! )..

I generally tag on a remark about getting a good introductory book on photography at the same time..

The lighter weight of the D40 makes it a better camera for someone who wants to be able to walkabout with it..

Anyhow just a thought..

If you must have the D80 or D200 then I think I'd suggest the D80. Unless you need weather sealing ( and you need weather sealed lenses to match ! ) the D80 will do you very well indeed..

StephenG.

Pentax K100DFuji S5200Fuji E900PCLinuxOS..

Comment #4

Get a D40 and kit lens, shoot with it for six months then either sell it, keep it for a back-up or give it to someone you like. At that point you'll have a better idea of what you want lens-wise and what features are important to you..

Paulhttp://PaulDRobertson.imagekind.com..

Comment #5

Get the D80.Rob.

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Comment #6

Must say you've had some excellent answers already..

Re your question - following is one of many links which compare features of D80 & D200 + don't think mentioned but D80 uses SD Cards and D200 uses CF..

Http://www.slrtoday.com/...s/133/1/The-Nikon-D80-vs-The-Nikon-D200/Page1.html.

You'll have probably seen at Jessops that the D200 is bigger, heaver, more rugged etc - but you probably wouldn't have noticed that it turns on slightly faster + shows ISO in the viewfinder at all times etc plus the other differences mentioned in the comparison. Are these things important for an extra 300 when the picture outcome should be pretty similar - only you can tell..

The mentioned option of a D40 is one worth considering as would be a D40x to get the extra pixels etc. You've not mentioned lens choice but D40/40x choice would obviously leave more in budget for them..

Kit 18-55mm lens (usually bundled with D40/40x) seems to be well regarded as does 18-135mm (often bundled with D80) and, if can fit in budget, 18-200mm VR would be an excellent choice..

Finally then, if it's a straight choice between D80 + D200 I'd get the D80 + best lens(s) I could afford. If it's a bit more open re the Nikons I'd consider going for D40x (+ best lens(s) I could afford - but probably still end up choosing the D80 option!.

Regards......Caster..

Comment #7

Thanks guys for all your answers which were really helpful in decision making wisw and what to buy..

I have decided that I will go for D80 because I am not proffisional as I've mentioned and the D200 is quite chunky which makes it difficulut to carry around. However, If I do not like the D80 I could sell it and then buy D200...

Comment #8

Nikoni wrote:.

This got me confused, I went to Jessops and I had no answer to myquestion. However a member of staff at Jessops gave me this site andsaid to me check it, they are more experts than us !!!, so here I amwhat do you recommend..

I'm not trying to start anything here, but I find this a little confusing..

Now, I've read a lot of bad stuff here on the chats about Jessops, but I still find it a little hard to believe that, at a camera store like Jessops, that none of their in-store staff knew the difference between a D80 and a D200!.

Heck, at my store, even the photo finishing counter people know the difference between those two cameras..

I could understand this if we were talking about Olympus, Pentax or Sony as most uninformed camera store personel seem to be Canon and Nikon oriented and versed..

That being said.enjoy you new D80.it will provide you with excellent photos..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

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Comment #9

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:.

I'm not trying to start anything here, but I find this a littleconfusing..

Now, I've read a lot of bad stuff here on the chats about Jessops,but I still find it a little hard to believe that, at a camera storelike Jessops, that none of their in-store staff knew the differencebetween a D80 and a D200!.

Heck, at my store, even the photo finishing counter people know thedifference between those two cameras..

I could understand this if we were talking about Olympus, Pentax orSony as most uninformed camera store personel seem to be Canon andNikon oriented and versed..

That being said.enjoy you new D80.it will provide youwith excellent photos..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

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Remember.always keep the box and everything that came in it!.

Hi,.

Beleive me I had no straight answer from them, I am not saying they are bad but at least they should've said D200 is better camera than D80. What they said was it depends on what you want it for, this is not good enough for me from someone whose job is to sell Cameras, right..

So what would you recommend then J.D.?.

Thanks..

Comment #10

Are the D200s going that much cheaper than a D300 preorder? Not saying you NEED a D300, just that I think I would have issues spending $1500 or so on a D200 right now given the VAST feature set difference and supposed high ISO performance improvement (very dissapointing in D80/D200 sensor IMO). D80 is probably a sufficient camera if you aren't a professional photographer or amateur sports shooter...

Comment #11

Nikoni wrote:.

Thanks guys for all your answers which were really helpful indecision making wisw and what to buy..

I have decided that I will go for D80 because I am not proffisionalas I've mentioned.

Absolutely the right choice IMHO. As others have said, if it's your first DSLR and if you have to ask, it's the D80 for you (or even a D40)..

And the D200 is quite chunky which makes itdifficulut to carry around. However, If I do not like the D80 I couldsell it and then buy D200..

Reality check here - "if you don't like it" what does that mean? You're going to need to spend a lot of time and effort learning to use any DSLR including and espeically the D80..

With all due respect - and I say this not to be rude, but with the intention of steering you in the right direction - you are, and will not be for 1-2 years, in any position to decide that you "don't like" the D80 and that the D200 is a better camera for you. You are just as likely to "not like" the D80 and downgrade to a D40, you know..

It bothers me that as a complete beginner to DSRL you are staring with the assumption that you might not "like" a quite sophisticated camera and that you may prefer a professional DSLR - before you've even touched it..

Please think about that attitude..

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Comment #12

SMPhoto wrote:.

Are the D200s going that much cheaper than a D300 preorder? Notsaying you NEED a D300, just that I think I would have issuesspending $1500 or so on a D200 right now given the VAST feature setdifference and supposed high ISO performance improvement (verydissapointing in D80/D200 sensor IMO). D80 is probably a sufficientcamera if you aren't a professional photographer or amateur sportsshooter..

Don't disagree with the generality of your advice but the OP is in the UK. Typical body only price for D200 is around 800 and the D300 1150..

I am surprised at your dissapointment in D80 high ISO performance. It is clearly better at ISO 1600 than the D200 just as the D40x is better than the D80. I expect a D80s next year will put that cam back in front on this sensor..

The overall assessment of the D80 on this site IQ was that it was a whisker behind the Canon 400D. That same assessment on the 400D/D40x is that it is a draw..

I await reliable reviews on the D300 and D3. I expect the D300 to show marginal evolutionary improvement (useable ISO 3200) and the D3 to show massive improvement..

Price of the D80 body only in the UK is now circa 470 (with 50 cash back if you buy a lens/body combo). Compared to the other two cams above that is good value..

Of course on the average A4 print you would be hard pushed to tell all of them apart!.

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/..

Comment #13

The D200 is a far superior camera to the D80. You get what you pay for, the choice is yours. What do you need and can afford?Jules.

Why can't you blow bubbles with chewing gum?..

Comment #14

Whilst I agree with the sentiments of the previous poster, it is by no means certain that anyone might actually 'like' a camera built in that clunky old fashioned DSLR format without live preview and lacking a wide-range all-in-one zoom lens as standard..

If the original poster opted for the D80 he would put himself in a position where he need not upgrade the camera body for quite some time because the camera has a sophisticated feature set enabling it to do almost anything, whilst - importantly - being of a more sensible size for carrying around. It is always good to have something to aspire to and if he got the D200 and failed to 'like' it he would then risk losing enthusiasm for using a DSLR. If he could afford the new D300 he'd get live preview on the LCD, but he'd have to admit this is as good as it gets at the APS sensor size and put any 'dislikes' down to lack of expereince..

One more suggestion: before buying, put the Nikon D80 and Canon 40D side by side in a camera store. One will feel better/work better in the hand than the other, and that would be the one you can come to 'like' more quickly.John.Please visit me at:http://www.pbase.com/johnfr/backtothebridgehttp://www.pbase.com/johnfr/digital_dartmoor..

Comment #15

Jules,.

I am not slagging off the D200 but rather rebutting the allegation of "dissapointing" high ISO performance from the D80/D200..

As with all these things it is a matter of assessing price versus performance. It sounds like the D300 is an excellent cam building on the D200 but I am not about to go out and spend 1150 on it..

What particularly interests me is the prospect of a competitor for the 5D somewhere down the line - a sort of FX version of the D80. I think I will save my pennies until then!.

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/..

Comment #16

Chris. I don't know all the different attributes to the different models like most people on these forums seem to and quite honestly find this techno knowledge a bit boring..

When I have to make a decision to buy a new camera the tech specification gets looked at and to be quite honest I find the decision making pretty easy. One gets a 'feel' for a model and whether it will do the job you need or not..

We have a D200 as a backup, I have never even tested the high ISO end of shooting on it. We use a D2x in the studio and have a D70 that preceded the other two Nikons. And, just to show that I am not one of the 'Nikon bash Canon' merchants, I use a Canon 20D for my personal work. Why? because I was offered a good deal on it with two lenses and I only had one on the D70. Personall I find it almost identical in use to the D70 and am not bothered which one I used really..

But I repeat, generally one gets what one pays for..

Jules.

Chris Elliott wrote:.

Jules,.

I am not slagging off the D200 but rather rebutting the allegation of"dissapointing" high ISO performance from the D80/D200..

As with all these things it is a matter of assessing price versusperformance. It sounds like the D300 is an excellent cam building onthe D200 but I am not about to go out and spend 1150 on it..

What particularly interests me is the prospect of a competitor forthe 5D somewhere down the line - a sort of FX version of the D80. Ithink I will save my pennies until then!.

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/.

Why can't you blow bubbles with chewing gum?..

Comment #17

Absolutely agree with what you've said..

If it was a D40 the 1-2 years might be a bit long, or if the OP had experience, but the D80 is semi-pro and really 'semi' does it an injustice..

This is why it's so important for beginners to avoid the higher end cameras. The learning curve is huge..

Think about the D40, if you don't like that you won't like the D80 or D200. After siz months you may have a better idea if you even need a better camera..

StephenG.

Pentax K100DFuji S5200Fuji E900PCLinuxOS..

Comment #18

I am comparing the high ISO of D80 to my Fuji S5, and it's not even close. Mostly early tests seem to indicate that the D300 will be on par with S5...

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