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D80 or K10D
Looking for some advice on a purchase. Have been pretty set on D80, but considering the K10D as well. Here is what I think I know from reviews on this site and others:.

If I were buying for brand and available support I'd buy D80.If I were buying for feature set/cost I'd buy K10D.

Both will take great pictures (especially for a guy who's not a pro), but D80 has slight advantage related to total image quality according to this site. K10D has more features than D80 and is considered a higher level camera in the consumer to pro level scale. D80 may have some exposure issues because of metering.(this is of concern to me, so if you can dispute it, let me know).

Have held both, and could go either way. Cost of K10 is appealing, but Nikon lenses are appealing as well..

Just curious if someone can give me some more advice..

I'm very interested in photography and it has been a hobby for me. I won't ever make it a profession, but don't want to be limited in two years as I learn more. Thanks in advance for any help. Ohh and if I should be looking at anything else, please advise..

Ryanryanrtxtx..

Comments (17)

I don't think you would be limited by either. Both are good cameras. The k10D is undoubtedly an incredible value. Many people make a lot of noise about Pentax's lack of lenses. I am a professional and I use Nikon lenses, but I could probably make do with Pentax line up since I rarely shoot sports. I mean, how many lenses do most people need.

What else do most people need? I have heard that Pentax's pTTL flash system is a little behind, which is very important to me being primarily a wedding photographer (one of the main things that propelled me from Canon to Fuji/Nikon), where as Nikon's is excellent. Not sure if that matters to you...

Comment #1

Great info....and agree with you on the lens point. I doubt I'll ever have more than 2 or 3 lenses so i'm fine with either. I've read some reviews that talk about the D80's metering(an issue with it)... I take a ton of pictures of my kids and hate it when my P&S washes them out because of the flash....I think the metering is related to this type of exposure issue....have you experienced that type of problem with the Nikon?ryanrtxtx..

Comment #2

I have only picked up and shot a D80 for a few shots that my wifes step dad owns. My Fuji S5s metering (based on D200) is great both ambient as well as with pop-up flash or Nikon 800 flash. Certainly some scenes will throw it off, but I adjust fairly easily. I've been shooting weddings for almost 20 years, so I understand exposure pretty well though and very rarely take the camera off manual exposure, but the S5 meter is usually dead on...

Comment #3

Dont be sucked in by images in reviews, each Camera has a Myriard of settings and can be made to make identical images, both these Camera's are capable of breathtaking images..

The K10D has one huge advantage over the Nikon, it has built in Anti Shake that really works, which makes all lenses cheaper and lighter..

There is no doubt that Anti shake in it's various forms is a great innovation, but Nikon has it in the lens and that means each time you buy a lens with VR you pay serious Dollars more and they are also heavier..

Right at present Nikon do not have a very great range of VR lenses..

On the other hand Pentax have some terrific lenses, in short zooms and primes, always cheaper than their Nikon couterpart..

Try a hand held shot at 1/10th second inside a church/museum with the Nikon.I think you would be struggling.Want to take a shot at a concert where flash is banned, forget the Nikon..

The only downside for Pentax is a lack of fast focusing Long Zooms. (300mm and above) this is where Canon shines. but we are not talking Canon. Nikon dont have any long zooms with VR either..

Start with a K10D and a DA*16-50 f2.8 then get the DA 60-250 f3.5 when it's released, you'll never look back...

Comment #4

THANK YOU. You've sealed it for me... Great perspective and advise....ryanrtxtx..

Comment #5

I have the K10D and am very, very pleased with it. I agree with the comments about shake reduction, which is a real boon and the lens range is not in any way limiting (if you take into account some of the Sigma EX offerings). Bottom line though...these are both excellent cameras and I'm sure you wouldn't be disappointed with either..

If you are tending towards the Pentax then be aware that they are widely expected to announce a successor to the K10D (expected to be called the K20D) later this month which is expected to be in the shops in April. Personally, I'd still buy a K10D rather than wait because it's an excellent camera at a very attractive price..

Confused of Malvern.

'The greatest fool can ask more than the wisest man can answer'..

Comment #6

Interesting note about the proposed K20....I know it would be a complete guess, but historically speaking should we expect the K20 to even close in price point to the K10? Will the K10 drop dramatically in price at the time of the announcement? I doubt I want to wait until April, but if waiting a few weeks saves me a good amount of money I can probably do that...ryanrtxtx..

Comment #7

If low light action is going to be part of the equation (an area where IS will not help) then the D80 would be better..

If what you shoot in low light does not move then the K10 is a great camera at a great price..

Gene..

Comment #8

Well now I'm back on the fence....Anyone else have similar experience this?.

What is considered low light? lots of my pics will be inside the house of the kids with standard house lights....is this low light?.

Referencing back to my comparisons at the store, the D80 took "brighter" pictures inside the store, but the K10D actually looked more "real" to me... is this at all related?ryanrtxtx..

Comment #9

This is a pure guess on my part but I would expect the K20D to start out at about the same as the original list price for the K10D, around 850 (as opposed to the current street price here in the Uk of about 480) - so considerably more expensive..

Rumour has it that production of the K10D has already ceased so that the factory can gear up for the K20D - so I don't think you're going to see a glut of the old models that will be reduced significantly more than the current price.

Confused of Malvern.

'The greatest fool can ask more than the wisest man can answer'..

Comment #10

Never having used a D80 I can't make a comparison but I've never found a problem with AF on the Pentax in low light situations. It's certainly not anything you should worry about..

The point about the D80 images appearing 'brighter' in the shop is unrelated - that goes more to what you've read in reviews on this site and elsewhere about image quality. Even if you shoot in RAW (which is always recommended) the image you see on the camera screen has been processed by the camera using the jpeg settings. The default settings on the Pentax are deliberately intended to produce what you quite rightly describe as a more natural look. This isn't to some people's liking, particularly if they are used to the look of Nikon or Canon but it can easily be adjusted by switching the the saturated mode if that is what you prefer. If you shoot in RAW mode, it makes no difference to the quality of the finished image..

Confused of Malvern.

'The greatest fool can ask more than the wisest man can answer'..

Comment #11

One more question. I've read all the posts on this forum about the Pentax-Hoya merger. Are there any new developments with respect to the future of Pentax as Pentax? Does it look like they will go away or have major changes that would cause lenses to stop being made or future bodies for upgrades?ryanrtxtx..

Comment #12

Two points.

Firstly the K10D would be better than the D80 in low light due entirley to the anti shake feature, as I said earlier, try hand holding a D80 in a poorly lit church or Museum enviroment and you will come out with a blurred image and some noise, with a K10D you will have a clear image with some noise..

Secondly there doesn't seem to be anything on the Horizon that indicates the Hoya Pentax merger will or has affected the direction of Pentax, whilst there are always rumors in both directions common sense says that when two very old and stable companies go down the merger path it's expected by both that there will be some benefits for both. Economy of scale is often the driving force but because they are somewhat different who knows, I'm not sure but some time ago I was led to believe that Hoya owned Tokina one of the 3 Non genuine lens makers. Could be a meeting of minds in the lens area perhaps. Again just speculation...

Comment #13

My 2 cents........D80 is probably at the end of it's running. Certainly within 2 years..

The D40 IQ stands very close to the D80. Why not start with D40 at lower price-level and wait and see?D80 has some features: Commander flash-mode, bracketing, Dof preview..

If you can live without, D40 seems a better option. Combine it with the 18-200 VR.

And you have a stabilized semi anti-dust system, because you don't need to change the lens..

I have considered the Samsung GX10 myself, which would be fine. But since my uncle is a pro with pro Nikon glass ...........LOL..

Http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm.

Have fun...

Comment #14

Debruyne wrote:.

My 2 cents........D80 is probably at the end of it's running. Certainly within 2 years.The D40 IQ stands very close to the D80. Why not start with D40 atlower price-level and wait and see?D80 has some features: Commander flash-mode, bracketing, Dof preview.If you can live without, D40 seems a better option. Combine it withthe 18-200 VRand you have a stabilized semi anti-dust system, because you don'tneed to change the lens.I have considered the Samsung GX10 myself, which would be fine. Butsince my uncle is a pro with pro Nikon glass ...........LOL..

Http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm.

Have fun..

If you do consider a Nikon D40, the proper entry level camera in the Pentax lineup is the K100d super..

I tend to agree with debruyne, start with an entry level body and learn. Buying lots of equipment won't make you a better photographer. Time, practice, and constructive feedback is needed..

Don't fret much over the decision. All of the entry level SLR's on the market today produce wonderful photo's. I considered a D40 and the K100d. I would have been happy with either. I chose the K100d because of in-body shake reduction..

Most of all, enjoy your hobby...

Comment #15

I had the 30D, E300 and K10 at the same time. The K10 was noticeably slower indoors at night with normal house lighting (ISO 1600, 2.8, 1/100 or less).

Even using the Focus assist beam from the Pentax 540 flash did not help. It was frustrating and IMO rendered the camera nearly useless for trying to take pics of my kids in the house..

Outdoors in good light it was very fast. Indoors it s%cked..

If you want fast indoor low light focus then one of the newer bodies would be best, 40D, A700, E3 or D300..

Oh and a fast lens with a USM type AF motor helps as well..

Gene.

Ryanrtxtx wrote:.

Well now I'm back on the fence....Anyone else have similar experiencethis?.

What is considered low light? lots of my pics will be inside thehouse of the kids with standard house lights....is this low light?.

Referencing back to my comparisons at the store, the D80 took"brighter" pictures inside the store, but the K10D actually lookedmore "real" to me... is this at all related?ryanrtxtx..

Comment #16

If you haven't checked out the user reviews for the K10D on this site, you should - there are a lot of happy owners. I haven't posted there but have had the K10D since it was introduced and absolutely love it. If something happened to it I would buy another without hesitation. It's true that there are several good DSLRs on the market in this class and all will give you good results. The in-camera shake reduction was a big factor for me for the reasons given by others. Also the weather-resistant body gives the Pentax a more solid feel and it just feels good in your hand. Pick up and handle any of the cameras you are considering before you make your final choice...

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