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I am considering upgrading from a p&s camera to a dslr and have been looking exclusively at Nikon. Why I haven't looked at Canon or the others, there really is no particular reason other than I like the style of the Nikon..

Now I have a budget that does not include the d80 otherwise I would just go ahead and get it. So the choice for me is either the d40 or the d40x. Both myself and my wife will be using it and I likely will use if more for outdoor type shots whereas my wife will use it more as a p&s camera for family photos until she learns more about the functions within the camera..

So what would be the recommendation? I have seen some packages with 2 lenses with both the d40 and the d40x but as you know the price goes up. I am just a beginner so any opinion would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!..

Comments (36)

I think it is easy choice.Do you need 10Mpx or only 6 ? .

Noise inceasing is not the issue. Only the resolution. 6Mpx and save your money or 10Mpx for better detail and more options?Why does he do it?..

Comment #1

ITpuck wrote:.

I am considering upgrading from a p&s camera to a dslr and have beenlooking exclusively at Nikon. Why I haven't looked at Canon or theothers, there really is no particular reason other than I like thestyle of the Nikon..

You have seen the light also! Thank you, Lord..

I would personally recommend the D40 for blah blah reasons that you don't care about. But look at what can you buy for the same money. Suggestions:Sigma 30mm f1.4 HSM orNikon SB-400 orNikkor 55-200mm orSigma 10-20mm.

Depending on what you like more. Low light performance or wonderful bounced flash or telephoto or an extreme wide angle! Also Think that you need half the size of the memory card than on the D40x.Have fun!!! .

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Comment #2

ITpuck wrote:.

I am considering upgrading from a p&s camera to a dslr and have beenlooking exclusively at Nikon. Why I haven't looked at Canon or theothers, there really is no particular reason other than I like thestyle of the Nikon..

Good. You have taste! .

Now I have a budget that does not include the d80 otherwise I wouldjust go ahead and get it. So the choice for me is either the d40 orthe d40x. Both myself and my wife will be using it and I likely willuse if more for outdoor type shots whereas my wife will use it moreas a p&s camera for family photos until she learns more about thefunctions within the camera..

So what would be the recommendation? I have seen some packages with2 lenses with both the d40 and the d40x but as you know the pricegoes up. I am just a beginner so any opinion would be greatlyappreciated. Thanks!.

Contrary to what crash thinks, the D40 is the way to go. Forget the 6 vs 10 MP argument. The D40 has less noise, for indoor pix and nightime outdoor pix. Take the difference in proce between the D40 and the D40x and invest in a good flash..

When somebody asks you how many MP your camera has, lie to them. If they suspect you are lying, tell a bigger lie, like you had the camera upgraded to 12 MP. The MP race is just a game and the first liar doesn't stand a chance..

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Comment #3

Actually the NEF from D40 allows 21MP of data to be extracted, with minimal loss of detail. (not 12MP).

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Comment #4

Buy the cheaper body and save your money for lenses....

Worry about this kind of stuff when you buy your second camera after learning how to use the slr....

Why not a used d50 or used d70?..

Comment #5

I haven't read any replies yet but they're always the same. People downplaying 10 megapixels like it's irrelevant. They're the ones who don't know the other differences between the two cameras, 6 to 10 megapixels is significant for cropping. Hardly irrelevant and neither is 3 frames per second, ISO 100 AND increased dynamic range. You'll hear about the price difference between the 40x and the 80 as being negligible so you should by the D80...it's not and the 40x meters better than the more expensive D80. Don't worry about only being able to use AF-S lenses, there are dozens of them..

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Comment #6

Dejan Malikovski wrote:.

Actually the NEF from D40 allows 21MP of data to be extracted, withminimal loss of detail. (not 12MP).

Nope...21MB, not 21 MP. Remember, the 12MP was a lie. .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #7

They are both good cameras..

The D40 gives good crisp images at a budget price and is excellent value for money..

The D40x gives truly excellent image quality without having to pay for the "bells and whistles" of extra features (The IQ of the D40x is marginally superior to the D80 and D200)..

If you simply want to take family photos (and maybe just occasionally be creative) then the D40 is more than adequate..

If you want to take photos in more challenging conditions (low light, wide dynamic range from shadows to very bright light, you need to crop a lot) or you simply want the very best image quality at the price then the D40x is what you should go for..

I use both a 6Mpixel and 10Mpixel camera alongside each other. There is quite a big difference between them. It is not something you will notice on an 1280 x 1024 screen or similar or an A4 print but since none of my photography is posed and 99.9% of it involves movement I often get the best shots by cropping down to tighten the framing (no time to zoom or I would miss the moment or simply looking through the wrong camera and lens at a given moment). The extra pixels are invaluable in that situation..

If you are taking posed portraits, still life etc there is no reason to spend the extra money on the D40x but with any photography involving action those extra pixels are useful..

They used to say in the UK that Coleman's Mustard made their money not from the mustard you ate but from that which you threw away leaving it on your plate. It is a bit like that with 10Mpixel DSLRs. Unless you are selling images professionally the value in the cam is the ability to throw away those pixels and still have a high quality image..

Be aware price difference varies in different regions so the balance of advantage one to the other is only a decision that can be made by you.Chris Elliott.

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Comment #8

Thx for all your replies, just as I thought when I posted the message I would still be deciding on which way to go. I am still leaning towards the d40x just for little bit extra. Most of what you guys are talking about is over my head for now and I will need to learn and test. I was almost thinking last night just to bite the bullet and get the d80 but it's still a little out of my ballpark. Thanks again!..

Comment #9

This may sound like a stupid question but how important is ISO 100 and the differences in dynamic range between D40 and D40X?Thanks in advance..

Comment #10

Take the money saved and spend it on the 55-200VR..

BUT, get the 55-200VR. The 2 lens kits have the non-VR version..

$700 combined...

Comment #11

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Comment #12

I own the D40; I also tried the D40x but did not like it.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the slower flash sync of the D40x. 1/250 vs 1/500. It is a BIG deal, way more important than anything else..

Few D40/D40x users would ever care for the difference between ISO 100 and ISO 200..

"superior dynamic range" is an exaggeration. The difference is so minimal (and easily bypassed with PP of the RAW file) that I don't think it justifies the extra $$.

10mp vs 6mp means one thing only: bigger files. All this "cropping" capabilities are yet another exaggeration. Instead of wanting to "crop", do yourself a favor and buy a tele - 55-200VR with the money saved, for instance Besides, most cropped images (and especially from bigger sensors) lose somewhat in quality..

As for the faster fps of the D40x, again, the difference is so minimal that no D40/D40x user notices it (or cares).

The D40x was made with commercial anxieties in mind (to go up against the Canon EOS 400D). Camera matters 30%. Lens matters 70%. Save the money and buy lenses instead..

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Comment #13

Wylewonderer wrote:.

This may sound like a stupid question but how important is ISO 100and the differences in dynamic range between D40 and D40X?Thanks in advance.

ISO 100 should give you a completely noise free image. ISO 200 as a base ISO should do the same. The difference in that regard is not massively important. But the range is less and there may be circumstances where you want both a wide aperture and a low shutter speed. That is more difficult with ISO 200.

More important is dynamic range. The D40x has one of the best on the market. That means it can capture detail better from bright sunshine into deep shadow. DSLRs still are not as good as film (or the human eye) in dynamic range..

It is ironic that weather conditions that a novice would consider ideal - bright sunshine and deep shade - are among the most challenging to capture..

Chris Elliott.

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Comment #14

Thanks for the insight, I am beginning to see the light and just might save a few bucks and go with the the d40 since they are both pretty much identical and purchase a second lense. I have seen some lenses that are 70-300 and then there is the 55-200. Which way would be better? What I have read from Ken Rockwell, he recommends the 18-200 and then a 12-24 but with a budget this really is not an option right now. Recommendations???..

Comment #15

Dejan Malikovski wrote:.

Suggestions:Sigma 30mm f1.4 HSM orNikon SB-400 orNikkor 55-200mm orSigma 10-20mm.

I will repeat my own post so I would not retype. I would be getting the above items in no particular order. So I would suggest them for the best price and better/best performance.The choice is depending on your need..

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Comment #16

55-200 VR. More useful range on a DX camera...

Comment #17

I know you like Nikon here and I am close to buing the d40 or d40x today, but why does no one seem to mention the Pentax K100D Super? It keeps stoping me jumping into a D40 or D40x as you seem to get a lot for your money and I would need to stick with the lense in the box for at least 6months or so!.

It has Image Stabilizing (I have heard this is very very useful), 11 Focus Points (Better chance of focusing on fast moving objects??), Dust Removal (Not too bothered about this)..

Comment #18

Just for getting the best kit lens, you should get the Nikon..

As for 11 AF points, it makes no difference in this category. Nikon knew what it was doing when it reduced the AF points for the D40/x, trust me. Often it's much faster when it doesn't have to go through all these points. And, which is the most important, Nikon's accuracy in focus is stunning. That's what you should be going for, accuracy. Speed is good, but if it's not accurate, what's the point? Canon, for instance is perhaps a tad faster than Nikon in AF, but not as accurate (in average).

Image stabilization is, of course, a plus, but it's not panacea. Especially with the kit lenses' focal length (18-55) is not THAT necessary.http://www.flickr.com/photos/96953368@N00/..

Comment #19

I agree with the kit. 18-55 kitlens will get you through the 1st year (handling and adjusting) and save your money for the 18-200 VR later on. Then you're good for years to come. Ken Rockwell suggested another toplens for wide-angle, but that is a different breed. Not the everyday out-and-about lens.d40 with kit-lens:http://www.users.skynet.be/fc042264.

Have fun like I did ..

Comment #20

T0nyDSLR wrote:.

I know you like Nikon here and I am close to buing the d40 or d40xtoday, but why does no one seem to mention the Pentax K100D Super? Itkeeps stoping me jumping into a D40 or D40x as you seem to get a lotfor your money and I would need to stick with the lense in the boxfor at least 6months or so!.

It has Image Stabilizing (I have heard this is very very useful), 11Focus Points (Better chance of focusing on fast moving objects??),Dust Removal (Not too bothered about this).

Nikon is God, but I really like Pentax and I can't stand Canon. The Pentax is amazing and superb and really sturdy, featurefull, compact, and a bargain. But I really don't like the AA battery solution. Does someone have the lithium batteries for the Pentax? And they cannot be charged? I am missing something...Lithium rechargable is really an advantage..

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Comment #21

T0nyDSLR wrote:.

I know you like Nikon here and I am close to buing the d40 or d40xtoday, but why does no one seem to mention the Pentax K100D Super?.

You need to read more threads? Lots of people think the H100D is a good choice in the low-price dSLR market...it's mentioned often..

It keeps stoping me jumping into a D40 or D40x as you seem to get a lotfor your money and I would need to stick with the lense in the boxfor at least 6months or so!.

I can tell from this sentence that the Pentax is the camera you really want. Go get it..

Dejan may have overstated it a bit? "Nikon is God, but I really like Pentax and I can't stand Canon." Perhaps it was just a typo...ie, "God" should have been "good"?.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #22

Thanks to all who replied to my post, I feel confident now that I can make an informed decision and not waste my money. Sorry forgot the person's name who said save your money and spend a year with the 18-55 lens, I think I will just do this and really get to know the camera before progressing further with other items. Is there anything else anyone would recommend as a must have for a first time buyer such as a monopod, filter etc. Again thanks to all who have helped...

Comment #23

Could be buying at the right time - following link shows 30-50 cashback from Nikon on D40, D40x & D80 from 1 Nov - 7 Jan 2008 if bought with their lenses. Hope applicable in Canada:-.

Http://www.nikon.co.uk/sites/cashback/default.html.

Don't know what experts think but I'd say a screen protector for LCD would be a "useful to have"..

Caster..

Comment #24

I'm going to chime in with "don't buy a filter." At least, not one to protect your lens..

The first things I'd get are an SB-600 and the 55-200VR...

Comment #25

Why the SB600 and not the SB400? The 55-200VR and the 18-55 are what I am thinking of doing. Just sent the this link http://www.henrys.com/...tmentId=10404&categoryId=10429&itemID=192010 to my wife and she did not bat an eye. So far in Canada this is the best price I have seen and with a little negotiation I will be able to get them to drop the price...

Comment #26

Because the SB-400 doesn't swivel. When you're doing bounce flash, you usually want the flash head pointed up behind you and to one side. With the SB-400 you can only point straight up for a horizontal shot and straight to the side for a vertical..

The SB-600 is also much more powerful...

Comment #27

Ancient_Mariner wrote:.

I own the D40; I also tried the D40x but did not like it.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the slower flash sync of the D40x.1/250 vs 1/500. It is a BIG deal, way more important than anythingelse..

Few D40/D40x users would ever care for the difference between ISO 100and ISO 200..

"superior dynamic range" is an exaggeration. The difference is sominimal (and easily bypassed with PP of the RAW file) that I don'tthink it justifies the extra $$.

10mp vs 6mp means one thing only: bigger files. All this "cropping"capabilities are yet another exaggeration. Instead of wanting to"crop", do yourself a favor and buy a tele - 55-200VR with the moneysaved, for instance Besides, most cropped images (and especiallyfrom bigger sensors) lose somewhat in quality..

As for the faster fps of the D40x, again, the difference is sominimal that no D40/D40x user notices it (or cares).

The D40x was made with commercial anxieties in mind (to go up againstthe Canon EOS 400D). Camera matters 30%. Lens matters 70%. Save themoney and buy lenses instead..

Good stuff. more pixels, who needs em. faster frames per second, who needs it..

Better dynamic range, who needs it. better resolution, who needs it. Save the 150 bucks and buy "lenses" instead. again... good stuff..

To the OP: There's a reason the multi-thousand dollar cameras come with more than 6 megapixels..

The Osprey in this picture appears as close as it does because I was able to crop it..

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Comment #28

My dear friend stevef1961 (you see, I can be ironic too).

I won't repeat myself regarding "who needs it", but I'll try to be laconic and say this: "The reason" for which "the multi-thousand dollar cameras come with more than 6 megapixels" has nothing to do with cropping. There's one and only one reason for extra resolution, and that is printing size. Period. Nothing else. Then again, when you print 20 x 30", the only way to "see" a difference is when you're seeing the images from point blank - who does that and how often for such a big image?.

Extra cropping as an advantage is highly, highly overrated (and usually exaggerated by the same people who want to sell you 12MP P&S) and the results are usually not the apotheosis of image quality..

I won't continue this conversation, as I do not appreciate sarcasm. For anyone reading and wanting an opinion from a Nikon D40 user (who has also tried the D40x), this is the bottom line, as I see it: D40 and D40x are both remarkable cameras. The extra resolution of the D40x does not, in my opinion, justify the extra cost. As a user of the D40, I have never wished for more resolution; I have never wished for 100 ISO option; I have wished for extra dynamic range, but I know that I can get such only from film - certainly not from the D40x. What I am thankful for, and I have used in numerous occasions, is the 1/500 speed with flash, something the D40x couldn't give me..

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Comment #29

Ancient_Mariner wrote:.

My dear friend stevef1961 (you see, I can be ironic too).

I won't repeat myself regarding "who needs it", but I'll try to belaconic and say this: "The reason" for which "the multi-thousanddollar cameras come with more than 6 megapixels" has nothing to dowith cropping. There's one and only one reason for extra resolution,and that is printing size. Period. Nothing else. Then again, when youprint 20 x 30", the only way to "see" a difference is when you'reseeing the images from point blank - who does that and how often forsuch a big image?.

Extra cropping as an advantage is highly, highly overrated (andusually exaggerated by the same people who want to sell you 12MP P&S)and the results are usually not the apotheosis of image quality..

I won't continue this conversation, as I do not appreciate sarcasm.For anyone reading and wanting an opinion from a Nikon D40 user (whohas also tried the D40x), this is the bottom line, as I see it: D40and D40x are both remarkable cameras. The extra resolution of theD40x does not, in my opinion, justify the extra cost. As a user ofthe D40, I have never wished for more resolution; I have never wishedfor 100 ISO option; I have wished for extra dynamic range, but I knowthat I can get such only from film - certainly not from the D40x.What I am thankful for, and I have used in numerous occasions, is the1/500 speed with flash, something the D40x couldn't give me..

Then why do sports photographers who are going to put their pictures in a newspaper shoot with 12, 16 and higher megapixel cameras?.

You need to see the tested resolution differences between the 40 and 40x and then you won't discount more megapixels, because YOU don't use ISO 100 doesn't mean other won't and those who shoot wildlife crop all the time. Check the price differences between the two cameras, it's not that much..

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Comment #30

Please explain the advantages of the faster flash sync..

I have been debating between a D40 and D40X for a long time and had decided on the D40X because of it's greater resolution. My assumption was that because of it's greater resolution I would be able to do more cropping and since I am a beginner the ability to crop would be useful...

Comment #31

Damn... now I am confused again. I have a D40 reserved to pickup this weekend and now I am worried cropping is rubbish on a 6mp cam????.

Someone has said the difference is not much, but for me 100 (a third of the price of a d40) is a lot; so I would want to be sure this 100 extra was worth it for an beginner..

(UK prices I think are nasty in comparison to US)?..

Comment #32

T0nyDSLR wrote:.

Damn... now I am confused again. I have a D40 reserved to pickup thisweekend and now I am worried cropping is rubbish on a 6mp cam????.

Someone has said the difference is not much, but for me 100 (a thirdof the price of a d40) is a lot; so I would want to be sure this 100extra was worth it for an beginner..

(UK prices I think are nasty in comparison to US)?.

I'm not the expert here, but I would say I am impartial as I own neither camera..

6mp may be fine for you, it really depends on your needs. If your needs change when it comes to printing, upscaling (at some cost to IQ) is an option..

10mp is good as mentioned for those who find a need for cropping (as someone mentioned wildlife photographers do so often), it's also good for large prints too..

Personally I like the idea of working with more detailed images and working backwards from there, gives one 'more room to play', I would also see it as future proofing to some degree needs you may have in the future you may not need currently (to which some would say you could always buy a new body then.. but that also means more $$$ too).Panasonic Lumix FZ20 & Lumix TZ3 + TCon 14BWCon08B + Nikon 5T + Vivitar 1/2/4 Close-up LensHoya 62mm Double Sided SHMC Pro-1 UV/CP PL/ND Filters82mm/62mm Hoods + C-Ring AdapterAdditional UV/PL/FD 72mm Filters and more.....

Comment #33

I said I wouldn't go on about this, but if I can help someone make a decision, so be it....

The photos are taken from DPreview's reviews on D40 and D40x (the "compared to" section)..

D40 100% crop:.

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D40x 100% crop:.

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Now, this is interesting. D40 enlarged to match D40x crop size. Surely, there's some quality loss, but is it really worth the extra money, in case you don't know what you're shooting and decide post-shoot that you want to recompose???.

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Comment #34

That's pretty significant isn't it? If that image isn't enough to convince someone to get the X, nothing is. Thanks for proving my point..

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Comment #35

You're skipping something: the sensor can resolve no more detail than the lens projects. Resolution tests are typically done with a 50mm prime. Replace that with a consumer-grade zoom, and they might resolve the same detail, at least at some focal lengths and apertures..

Bottom line, the x has the potential for better resolution for birders who need to crop from a 300mm prime lens. For the rest of us?..

Comment #36

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