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Couple ?? on Olympus E-410....
Fry's is having a New Year's week sale for the E-410 (local) right now and it's very tempting for me. Anyways, here are my questions:.

1) Is it wise to buy the 40-150mm lens with the E-410 if you're not planning to use a tripod ever, in my case? Since the E-410 does not have IS, it would be impossible to use the lens at it's max tele photo without shake and without using a tripod. I don't think you could do hand held shoots at all.2) How bad is DR vs. P&S (G9)?.

I think the E-410 is best camera you could get if you want P&S size with dslr quality images, am I right?.

3) Is it harder to use than the Nikon D40? Do you need to be an expert for this camera since there are so many settings to change to get the best possible quality..

4) The Nikon D40 image quality is excellent, but how is the image quality of the Oly vs. the D40? Are the colors on the Oly to yellowish (from what've heard/read)..

5) Would I be better off with the D40 as a beginner?.

Give up Oly E-410 for D40: for better LCD resolution, better image quality maybe, easier to use out of camera, IS zoom lens compability, better DR, slightly better in low light and better/cheaper (SB400) flash?.

Give up D40 for E-410: for auto-bracket, higher MP, better colors (if not too yellowish I hope), faster shooting @3fps, smaller size, and sharper images from kit lens?.

@ Fry's local store ($100 off):.

Oly E-410 with 1 lens: $495 tax includedOly E-410 with 2 lens: $553 tax included.

So buy the 2 lens and sell the 40-150mm or buy the 1 lens + accessories (ie..higher capacity card, polarizer filters) ?Sorry for the long post guys and thanks in advance for replying..

I'm still on the hunt for my next camera and this PMA 2008 rumors are making it harder. Wait for the D60 announcement?..

Comments (10)

Spade357 wrote:[snip].

1) Is it wise to buy the 40-150mm lens with the E-410 if you're notplanning to use a tripod ever, in my case? Since the E-410 does nothave IS, it would be impossible to use the lens at it's max tele photowithout shake and without using a tripod. I don't think you could dohand held shoots at all..

Of course you can hand hold a 300mm equivalent lens without a tripod. You just need a shutter speed of at least 1/300 - less if you can rest on something..

Chris R..

Comment #1

Chris R-UK wrote:.

Spade357 wrote:[snip].

1) Is it wise to buy the 40-150mm lens with the E-410 if you're notplanning to use a tripod ever, in my case? Since the E-410 does nothave IS, it would be impossible to use the lens at it's max tele photowithout shake and without using a tripod. I don't think you could dohand held shoots at all..

Of course you can hand hold a 300mm equivalent lens without a tripod.You just need a shutter speed of at least 1/300 - less if you canrest on something..

Chris R.

Thanks for replying Chris R.

I tried using higher shutter to test it at the store and that didn't help at all. I don't know if it's me though. I wanted to try the Nikon's VR zoom for comparison, but they didn't have it...

Comment #2

It's a perfectly capable DSLR..

If you get the Oly then get the 40-150 with it. Buying in a bundle is more cost effective and it's a decent lens..

The general technique of using a higher shutter speed when taking a shot at longer focal lengths has been around for a long, long time and it does work. IS is not a great choice for this as all it does is allow a longer exposure time. This is fine on static scenes, but useless on moving objects ( e.g. wildlife ). A tripod is always useful..

Consider a gorrilapod as a small portable tripod for all occasions. Useful accessory..

Incidentally you won't always get a perfect shot without shake. Any shot can be affected and IS won't stop this it just helps a little for some shots..

StephenG.

Pentax K100DFuji S5200Fuji E900PCLinuxOS..

Comment #3

Spade357 wrote:.

Fry's is having a New Year's week sale for the E-410 (local) rightnow and it's very tempting for me. Anyways, here are my questions:.

1) Is it wise to buy the 40-150mm lens with the E-410 if you're notplanning to use a tripod ever, in my case? Since the E-410 does nothave IS, it would be impossible to use the lens at it's max tele photowithout shake and without using a tripod. I don't think you could dohand held shoots at all..

That is not true. You just have to use a faster shutter speed. Here is a shot I took with the E500 and the kit lens at 150.

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2) How bad is DR vs. P&S (G9)?.

I think the E-410 is best camera you could get if you want P&S sizewith dslr quality images, am I right?.

It is the smallest DSLR but make sure that this is the size you want..

3) Is it harder to use than the Nikon D40? Do you need to be anexpert for this camera since there are so many settings to change toget the best possible quality..

Both the 410 and the D40 are entry level DSLRs. You need to read the manual to fully utilize the camera but as a beginner you can also set it in auto until you get use to the settings and what the camera can do..

4) The Nikon D40 image quality is excellent, but how is the imagequality of the Oly vs. the D40? Are the colors on the Oly toyellowish (from what've heard/read)..

Oly is known for it's color. The image quality will be comperable and the 410 will work with any of the 4/3 lenses. The D40 will not auto focus with a lens that does not have the AF motor in the lens I believe..

5) Would I be better off with the D40 as a beginner?.

Not IMO but camera choice is very personal. What feels comfortable, what you shoot and what you can afford..

Give up Oly E-410 for D40: for better LCD resolution, better imagequality maybe, easier to use out of camera, IS zoom lens compability,better DR, slightly better in low light and better/cheaper (SB400)flash?.

Give up D40 for E-410: for auto-bracket, higher MP, better colors (ifnot too yellowish I hope), faster shooting @3fps, smaller size, andsharper images from kit lens?.

Unless you are printing very large prints both the D40 and the 410 resolution will be fine. The 410 is not yellow if you set the WB correctly. the LcD resolution is no big deal trust me. Also you forgot that the 410 gives you Live View and the D40 doesn't. While I don't use it much when I do use it it has been VERY helpfull..

MaddogOlympus E-500, Olympus E-510..

Comment #4

Maddogmd11 wrote:snip.

I don't think you could do hand held shoots at all..

That is not true. You just have to use a faster shutter speed. Hereis a shot I took with the E500 and the kit lens at 150.

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Good gracious!.

That's NOT a shot I would have used to demonstrate a lack of camera shake!.

It appears very blurred all over, at least, on my monitor. Indeed, blurring in every part of the frame happens to be a positive indication of camera shake as the most likely cause..

[Sorry about this. I wouldn't ordinarily comment just to criticise someone's photo-technique, per se. I do so because of the particular point you were trying to make. Did you post the right picture, Madog? Errr.... it would have been a great one if it was sharp.]To the OP,.

A 150mm lens should be hand-holdable WITHOUT visible camera shake when used on a 4/3rds camera at shutter speeds of 1/300 second and faster. However, this is only a guide. Some people are steadier, some people are shakier, leading to different 'successful hit' rates..

If NONE of your long lens shots are sharp at speeds/f-lengths where acceptable sharpness might be ordinarily expected, then you either need to take even MORE care in camera handling at the point of releasing the shutter....

..... or possibly (just 'possibly') you need to visit your doctor to see if there is some underlying condition causing a tremor..

[Naturally, it is my earnest hope that it's just a bit more long-lens practise you need.]Regards,Baz..

Comment #5

Barrie Davis wrote:.

Maddogmd11 wrote:snip.

I don't think you could do hand held shoots at all..

That is not true. You just have to use a faster shutter speed. Hereis a shot I took with the E500 and the kit lens at 150.

Image control:Zoom outZoom 100%Zoom inExpand AllOpen in new window.

Good gracious!.

That's NOT a shot I would have used to demonstrate a lack of camerashake!.

It appears very blurred all over, at least, on my monitor. Indeed,blurring in every part of the frame happens to be a positiveindication of camera shake as the most likely cause..

[Sorry about this. I wouldn't ordinarily comment just to criticisesomeone's photo-technique, per se. I do so because of the particularpoint you were trying to make. Did you post the right picture, Madog?Errr.... it would have been a great one if it was sharp.]To the OP,.

A 150mm lens should be hand-holdable WITHOUT visible camera shakewhen used on a 4/3rds camera at shutter speeds of 1/300 second andfaster. However, this is only a guide. Some people are steadier, somepeople are shakier, leading to different 'successful hit' rates..

If NONE of your long lens shots are sharp at speeds/f-lengths whereacceptable sharpness might be ordinarily expected, then you eitherneed to take even MORE care in camera handling at the point ofreleasing the shutter....

..... or possibly (just 'possibly') you need to visit your doctor tosee if there is some underlying condition causing a tremor.[Naturally, it is my earnest hope that it's just a bit more long-lenspractise you need.]Regards,Baz.

Yeah, it looks blurry. I didn't know I missed that one, but good call. Well, I will get to test it myself again once I get the camera...

Comment #6

Barrie,.

You are correct. For some reason that shot looks good printed but totally crappy on some screens. It looks ok on mine but it was a bad example and your criticism was spot on..

Lets try this one instead as an example of using the 150 hand held..

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Olympus E-500, Olympus E-510..

Comment #7

I used the 40 - 150 set at 84 mm, hand held and on a windy day..

Http://glenbarrington.smugmug.com/gallery/4076861#237474858.

Sorry, You'll have to follow the link I have NEVER been able to get an image to appear directlySTOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

Comment #8

Maddogmd11 wrote:.

Lets try this one instead as an example of using the 150 hand held..

Yeah. Looks fine to me. Glad your eyes are OK, after all.. Regards,Baz..

Comment #9

Actually it's my laptop screen that's not too good!! When you combine that with my eyes...well. Anyway I appreciate your comments..

Thanks.

JimOlympus E-500, Olympus E-510..

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