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Canon xti VS. Nikon D40x
I am currently a college student and have had photography as a hobby of my for some time.I feel the time is right to step over to an SLR camera and can final afford to do so. I am just finishing up my camera research before I decide which one to buy. Recently I have been moslty focused on the Canon XTi and felt it would be a good introductory SLR for a college student. But, the Nikon D40x was brought to by attention on day while looking on a camera website. There seemed to be some difference; some bigger than others. I'm just wondering what the diferences are - if any?.

I am also a little confused over the difference of the CMOS and CCD sensor types. Is there a major difference between the two?.

Feel free to comment about any other aspects comparing the two cameras. All and any insight, advice, thoughts, ect. would be apreciated...

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Firstly, the main difference would be in price - with the Canon being almost around 50% more than the Nikon [which should give you some indication of which is a better camera...].

However - price isnt everything.Points to consider:.

-The Canon 400D has a (very) slightly larger pizel count (but this wont make much difference at all).

-The Nikon D40x however, does have a larger sensor.

-The Nikon has a high ISO of 3200 - compared to 1600 of the Canon.

-The Canon has a 1.6 crop factor - the Nikon has as 1.5 (although again, this shouldnt really make much difference).

-Perticularly as a beginner, auto-focus may be a big deal - and the Nikon has no built in lens motor which limits choice of AF lenses.

-The Nikon seems to have a bigger buffer when it comes to burst shots - but the overall speed of both is pretty quick for a camera of this class.

-The Canon uses compact flash cards which are cheaper and available in higher capacity than the SD/SDHC cards of the nikon... and are generally quicker.

My personal choice would be to go with the Canon (if you can afford it):+ better choice of lenses.

+ more adaptable in the long run - perticularly if you really get into photograpy.

+ a lot easier to use (regarding adjusting settings etc) and less 'fiddly' than the nikon.

+ better build quality.

HOWEVER....

Depending on what you intend to use it for, the Nikon maybe a better choice if you want some specialised lenses (assuming your budget isnt endless, a cheaper body will free up more money for glass).

In conclusion - The Canon is the best all round, but the Nikon is significantly cheaper... You can't really go wrong with either! .

[It seems pointless having spent the best part of 20 minutes writing this and coming up with such an indecisive recommendation! ...hope it helped anyway!]..

Comment #1

Gemn2000 wrote:.

I am currently a college student and have had photography as a hobbyof my for some time.I feel the time is right to step over to an SLRcamera and can final afford to do so. I am just finishing up mycamera research before I decide which one to buy. Recently I havebeen moslty focused on the Canon XTi and felt it would be a goodintroductory SLR for a college student. But, the Nikon D40x wasbrought to by attention on day while looking on a camera website.There seemed to be some difference; some bigger than others. I'm justwondering what the diferences are - if any?.

This site has a camera comparison feature. Click on Buying Guide in the links on the upper-left and select the 400D and the D40x and compare them..

I am also a little confused over the difference of the CMOS and CCDsensor types. Is there a major difference between the two?.

Yes, they work differently, but the end product is very similar..

Feel free to comment about any other aspects comparing the twocameras. All and any insight, advice, thoughts, ect. would beapreciated..

The biggest difference is that 80% of potential buyers like the Nikon ergonomics better. Go handle both cameras and see what YOU think!.

Also, don't overlook the D40. It has better IQ. .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #2

Joehic1991 wrote:.

Firstly, the main difference would be in price - with the Canon beingalmost around 50% more than the Nikon [which should give you someindication of which is a better camera...].

However - price isnt everything.Points to consider:.

-The Canon 400D has a (very) slightly larger pizel count (but thiswont make much difference at all).

-The Nikon D40x however, does have a larger sensor.

-The Nikon has a high ISO of 3200 - compared to 1600 of the Canon.

-The Canon has a 1.6 crop factor - the Nikon has as 1.5 (althoughagain, this shouldnt really make much difference).

-Perticularly as a beginner, auto-focus may be a big deal - and theNikon has no built in lens motor which limits choice of AF lenses.

-The Nikon seems to have a bigger buffer when it comes to burst shots- but the overall speed of both is pretty quick for a camera of thisclass.

-The Canon uses compact flash cards which are cheaper and availablein higher capacity than the SD/SDHC cards of the nikon... and aregenerally quicker.

My personal choice would be to go with the Canon (if you can afford it):+ better choice of lenses.

I agreed with you to here, not much difference IMHO..

+ more adaptable in the long run - perticularly if you really getinto photograpy.

+ a lot easier to use (regarding adjusting settings etc) and less'fiddly' than the nikon.

Strongly disagree, the Nikon interface is better than Canon in most users' view..

+ better build quality.

Between the 400D and the D40x - definitely not..

HOWEVER....

Depending on what you intend to use it for, the Nikon maybe a betterchoice if you want some specialised lenses (assuming your budget isntendless, a cheaper body will free up more money for glass).

In conclusion - The Canon is the best all round, but the Nikon issignificantly cheaper... You can't really go wrong with either! .

Agreed - to the last bit..

Alex.

Http://alexandjustine.smugmug.com/..

Comment #3

Go to google type on nikon 4d0 vs canom 400d and you will have the world at your fingertips..

Comment #4

Joehic1991 wrote:.

Firstly, the main difference would be in price - with the Canon beingalmost around 50% more than the Nikon [which should give you someindication of which is a better camera...].

However - price isnt everything.Points to consider:.

-The Canon 400D has a (very) slightly larger pizel count (but thiswont make much difference at all).

-The Nikon D40x however, does have a larger sensor.

-The Nikon has a high ISO of 3200 - compared to 1600 of the Canon.

-The Canon has a 1.6 crop factor - the Nikon has as 1.5 (althoughagain, this shouldnt really make much difference).

-Perticularly as a beginner, auto-focus may be a big deal - and theNikon has no built in lens motor which limits choice of AF lenses.

-The Nikon seems to have a bigger buffer when it comes to burst shots- but the overall speed of both is pretty quick for a camera of thisclass.

-The Canon uses compact flash cards which are cheaper and availablein higher capacity than the SD/SDHC cards of the nikon... and aregenerally quicker.

Most of these differences are of little or no practical consequence. One correction: SDHC cards are available up to 16GB, and some of them are up to 150x. Regular SD cards are limited to 2GB, but many are also high-speed..

There are three main differences:.

1. The Nikon 18-55 kit lens is way better than Canon's. This is where there could be a visible difference in many shots. If you get a Canon, you should get the 17-85IS lens..

2. The D40x can only take AF-S lenses. There are plenty of AF-S zooms, but no prime lenses other than big telephotos. No 28, 50, or 85mm for instance. The Canon can use pretty much any Canon autofocus lens..

3. Nikon has a superior wireless flash system. This only matters if you're using two or more external flashes..

If the Canon fits your budget, you should consider the D80. It can use (nearly) all autofocus lenses, and has a better viewfinder then the D40x or the XTi. It is also a good deal larger than a D40x. Whether that's good or not depends on the size of your hands..

Also, there's nothing wrong with the Canonas long as you stay away from the 18-55 lens...

Comment #5

Joehic1991 wrote:.

Firstly, the main difference would be in price - with the Canon beingalmost around 50% more than the Nikon [which should give you someindication of which is a better camera...].

I don't know where you live but my experience is that the D40x is about 10% cheaper than the XTI (aka 400D). Perhaps you are confusing the D40 and D40x?.

Points to consider:-The Canon 400D has a (very) slightly larger pizel count (but thiswont make much difference at all).

They are both 10 Mpixel cameras. In fact the D40x has 10.2 and the Canon XTi 10.1..

-The Nikon D40x however, does have a larger sensor.

The OP was asking about the D40x not the D40 which is what you seem to be comparing it with. (He says so both in the body of his post and in the subject line).

-Perticularly as a beginner, auto-focus may be a big deal - and theNikon has no built in lens motor which limits choice of AF lenses.

Canon SLRs have had no built-in lens motor since 1987. So both cams rely on motors in the lens. There are about 45 lenses that will AF on the D40/D40x:http://www.sigmaphoto.com/news/news.asp?nID=3356http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5 (Scroll down to AF-S)(Both list are now slightly out of date).

-The Canon uses compact flash cards which are cheaper and availablein higher capacity than the SD/SDHC cards of the nikon... and aregenerally quicker.

SDHC currently commonly go to 8GB. CF cards can come larger. Some (very few) are faster than fast SDHC cards but the speed and extra capacity come at a massive price mark up. Prices for fast 2GB cards like Sandisk Extreme III are near identical. Indeed SD/SDHC are usually marginally cheaper. So this is a non issue.

My personal choice would be to go with the Canon (if you can afford it): + better choice of lenses + more adaptable in the long run - perticularly if you really get into photograpy + a lot easier to use (regarding adjusting settings etc) and less 'fiddly' than the nikon.

Have you tried one? Nikons normally attract positive comments about their ergonomics..

+ better build quality.

I have not seen a single review commenting adversly on the build quality of either..

In conclusion - The Canon is the best all round, but the Nikon issignificantly cheaper... You can't really go wrong with either! .

Perhaps you would care to revisit yoyr conclusions now you know which cameras you are supposed to be talking about? Perhaps a mention of the superior dynamic range of the D40x and a reference to the Dave Etchells review would be appropriate?:http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D40X/D40XA.HTM.

[It seems pointless having spent the best part of 20 minutes writingthis and coming up with such an indecisive recommendation! ......].

I have to agree!.

To the OP you will find another review of the D40 and D40x at:.

Http://www.bythom.com/d40review.htm.

Thom is a well respected writer and photographer..

Above all you must get your hands on them in a store and try them out. Nothing wrong with the XTI/400D by the way but there is no "best all round" which is head and shoulders above the other. The Nikons are usually about 10% cheaper but provide similar features. IQ is pretty good from both (But I favour the D40x because of it's outstanding dynamic range.) If you want a good inexpensive DSLR look at the D40..

Hope this helps!.

P.S. Just seen Greg's post. I endorse his comments about the 18-55mm Canonh lens.

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/..

Comment #6

I've been trying to make this call as well. I've been told to pick your lens, then pick your camera. As such, this new 18-55 VR zoom Nikkor lens might swing the choice for me:.

Http://www.dpreview.com/news/0711/07112001nikkor1855.asp.

The roughly price-equivalent Canon lens with IS does not have USM (the Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS)..

Cb..

Comment #7

Chris Elliott wrote:.

They are both 10 Mpixel cameras. In fact the D40x has 10.2 and theCanon XTi 10.1..

The Canon has a resolution of 3888 x 2592, the Nikon of 3872 x 2592 - enough said..

The OP was asking about the D40x not the D40 which is what you seemto be comparing it with. (He says so both in the body of his post andin the subject line).

Where did you get this impression?.

Have you tried one? Nikons normally attract positive comments abouttheir ergonomics..

Yes, I've used one pretty extensively as a good friend of mine has one..

I have not seen a single review commenting adversly on the buildquality of either..

This was my personal oppinion..

Perhaps you would care to revisit yoyr conclusions now you know whichcameras you are supposed to be talking about? Perhaps a mention ofthe superior dynamic range of the D40x and a reference to the DaveEtchells review would be appropriate?:http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D40X/D40XA.HTM.

Perhaps a little more research and consideration for other's oppinions would be appropriate?.

I was merely offering advice to someone in a similar situation as I was when looking for my first dslr - technical reviews are all good, but I know I valued user's experiences with the cameras more when I was researching to buy.....

Comment #8

Nikon isn't the only one with a stabilized 18-55...just the latest.

Http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082007canonefs18-55and55-250.asp.

Btw...used a friends Nikon D40 recently...nice camera...but perhaps I have been using Canons too long...I had a very difficult time with the user interface...but I never had a problem with my Canon interface starting with my 20D (now sold since).

I wouldn't say that one user interface is better than the other, it is more about what you get used to...

Comment #9

Joehic1991 wrote:.

The OP was asking about the D40x not the D40 which is what you seemto be comparing it with. (He says so both in the body of his post andin the subject line).

Where did you get this impression?.

Oh so you were comparing the D40x with the 400D (XtI). You could have fooled me. Well actually you did!! Why? -.

Firstly, the main difference would be in price - with the Canon being almost around 50% more than the Nikon [which should give you some indication of which is a better camera...].

A look at the review prices on this site:Canon (kit) $899 (kit) $799 (body)Nikon (kit) $799 (kit) $729 (body).

I checked B & H Photo (just to make sure my knowledge of UK prices is not distorting the picture):Canon $579 (body) $659 (kit)Nikon $549 (body) $619 (kit).

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/.../SLR_Digital_Cameras.html/mnp/0.0/mxp/0.0/pn/1.

Now where do you get "the Canon being almost around 50% more" from those figures?!! They are around the 10% difference I quoted. Now the D40 kit (not D40x) is $479 at B & H - The XTI costs 38 % more - still not 50% but much nearer your grossly innacurate figure..

The Canon 400D has a (very) slightly larger pizel count (but this wont make much difference at all).

Your first and best point is a pixel difference of 0.04 Mpixels or 0.4% of the total number of pixels?!! Any wonder I am confused? Arguments have raged on this site about whether the D40 is better than the D40x - whether the extra 4 Mpixels are necessary (i.e a 66% increase). But you think it worth mentioning before all other points..

The Nikon D40x however, does have a larger sensor.

Yes it has a larger sensor than the D40. (And according to the spec on this site it has a larger no of pixels than the XTI - 10.2 v 10.1 - not confirmed by the mfrs specs I will grant you). See where I am coming from?.

The Canon has a 1.6 crop factor - the Nikon has as 1.5 (although again, this shouldnt really make much difference).

Erm isn't this the same as a larger sensor? See where I am coming from?.

So now you know where I got that impression from !!!!.

Perhaps a little more research and consideration for other's oppinions would be appropriate?.

Your original post showed:.

A complete ignorance DSLR market prices.

A complete lack of judgement about what is important to a good photograph concentrating on a 0.04 Mpixel difference in imager size as a difference to mark out.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but, to put it succinctly, if you post a nonsense reply you must expect others to seize on it and take you to task..

I was merely offering advice to someone in a similar situation as I was when looking for my first dslr - technical reviews are all good, but I know I valued user's experiences with the cameras more when I was researching to buy....

Demonstrably it would be dangerous to rely on your advice. It is confusing and shows no understanding of what differences might be important to a photographer but rather just quotes figures without any apparent understanding of their relevance, importance or priority..

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/..

Comment #10

ShawnCo wrote:.

I wouldn't say that one user interface is better than the other, itis more about what you get used to..

I largely agree. I don't know what happens with Canon but with the majority of Nikon models you can move from one to another and the major controls are in the same place. The D40/40x are rather more menu driven which would be trying for those of us with lots of dedicated buttons but, no doubt easy enough when you are familiar..

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/..

Comment #11

Joehic1991 wrote:.

Firstly, the main difference would be in price - with the Canon beingalmost around 50% more than the Nikon [which should give you someindication of which is a better camera...].

You're WAY off, there's little difference in price...

Comment #12

Nice said!The funniest thing was the build quality, issue. I had a good laugh..

P.S. to the OP go to a shop and try the Nikon(pick it up in hands), only then you can see how much better it really is. No other possible way..

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Comment #13

Gemn2000 wrote:.

I am currently a college student and have had photography as a hobbyof my for some time.I feel the time is right to step over to an SLRcamera and can final afford to do so. I am just finishing up mycamera research before I decide which one to buy. Recently I havebeen moslty focused on the Canon XTi and felt it would be a goodintroductory SLR for a college student. But, the Nikon D40x wasbrought to by attention on day while looking on a camera website.There seemed to be some difference; some bigger than others. I'm justwondering what the diferences are - if any?.

I am also a little confused over the difference of the CMOS and CCDsensor types. Is there a major difference between the two?.

Feel free to comment about any other aspects comparing the twocameras. All and any insight, advice, thoughts, ect. would beapreciated..

If you're looking at getting a "kit" with a bundled lens, then lean toward the Nikon, as the kit lenses are generally better than Canon's. Otherwise, look at lenses which fit what you wish to shoot (Canon offer tilt and shift lenses for instance.) If you're of the opinion that spending more than USD$500 on a lens will never happen, then don't worry about lens selection and just go with the one that feels best in your hand..

Neither is a bad choice, but if you're going to spend serious money on lenses down the road, then you're likely to be married to your choice for a long time. If not, I've yet to see someone who could pick which of any set of pictures came from which camera..

Paulhttp://PaulDRobertson.imagekind.com..

Comment #14

Chris,.

I fully agree with you. I wonder how many people have been misled by such people posting in the beginner's forum. They can't even get the price right, much less the technical specs right or correctly presented..

Thank you for answering each point correctly and with proof. I hope the OP reads it, and disregard the other poster..

If it were only possible, I would have pressed the complaint button against the poster. Unfortunately, you can't do that if a poster is spreading FUD, or misleading info, especially when they think they are actually right! Only trolling, flaimbaits, etc are reasons for the complaint button..

Caterpillar'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'..

Comment #15

Greg Nut wrote:.

There are three main differences:.

1. The Nikon 18-55 kit lens is way better than Canon's. This iswhere there could be a visible difference in many shots. If you geta Canon, you should get the 17-85IS lens..

2. The D40x can only take AF-S lenses. There are plenty of AF-Szooms, but no prime lenses other than big telephotos. No 28, 50, or85mm for instance. The Canon can use pretty much any Canon autofocuslens..

3. Nikon has a superior wireless flash system. This only matters ifyou're using two or more external flashes..

If the Canon fits your budget, you should consider the D80. It canuse (nearly) all autofocus lenses, and has a better viewfinder thenthe D40x or the XTi. It is also a good deal larger than a D40x.Whether that's good or not depends on the size of your hands..

Also, there's nothing wrong with the Canonas long as you stay awayfrom the 18-55 lens..

The newer canon kit lens with the IS seems to be much better. Two test sites have already shown that the newer 18-55 IS is on par with the tamron 17-50 f2.8 and/or the ef-s 17-55 IS for the same focal lengths and apertures..

We'll be seeing pictures in the near months to verify if these tests bear out in the field once more kit IS lenses go out into the hands of users..

Caterpillar'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'..

Comment #16

Interesting what you mention about the different sensors..

As "chuxter" said earlier in the thread, CMOS (xti) and CCD (D40x) sensors do have a difference in the way they work and following link (used in these forums before) is one of many that explain a bit more:-.

Http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question362.htm.

However, link's overall conclusions may not be too up to date as many new "higher end" cameras such as Canon 40D, Nikon D300 & D3 plus Sony a700 all now coming out with CMOS sensors - could this be the way forward?.

Personally though, I wouldn't think about whether the xti or D40x has the better sensor - I'd concentrate more on what the end result is for the type(s) of shots you want and choose the best camera/lens combination of the two that would give you that..

From these forums/your research if you find that there's nothing to split the two I'd then simply go with the one that you're happiest with when handling in the shop as both should do the job for you..

Regards.....Caster..

Comment #17

Caster the Dog wrote:.

Interesting what you mention about the different sensors..

Not really, sensor type is basically irrelevant unless you're doing astrophotography where CCDs rule..

As "chuxter" said earlier in the thread, CMOS (xti) and CCD (D40x)sensors do have a difference in the way they work and following link.

But the results are comparable. You'd be unique if you could tell the difference in most prints. I can't tell the difference in my own prints..

However, link's overall conclusions may not be too up to date as manynew "higher end" cameras such as Canon 40D, Nikon D300 & D3 plus Sonya700 all now coming out with CMOS sensors - could this be the wayforward?.

Yes, but only because it's significantly *cheaper* for the DSLR manufacturers to do CMOS. Consumer electronics and yield-per-wafer math come together quite well..

Personally though, I wouldn't think about whether the xti or D40x hasthe better sensor - I'd concentrate more on what the end result isfor the type(s) of shots you want and choose the best camera/lenscombination of the two that would give you that..

From these forums/your research if you find that there's nothing tosplit the two I'd then simply go with the one that you're happiestwith when handling in the shop as both should do the job for you..

Good advice..

Paulhttp://PaulDRobertson.imagekind.com..

Comment #18

Paul Robertson wrote:.

Not really, sensor type is basically irrelevant unless you're doingastrophotography where CCDs rule..

Interesting as this astrophotography review shows even Nikon's (well Sony's) latest sensors SUCK compared to Canon's and that Canon's are the only way to go to get accurate results with a DSLR:.

Http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/nikon_test/test.htm..

Comment #19

Paqman wrote:.

Paul Robertson wrote:.

Not really, sensor type is basically irrelevant unless you're doingastrophotography where CCDs rule..

Interesting as this astrophotography review shows even Nikon's (wellSony's) latest sensors SUCK compared to Canon's and that Canon's arethe only way to go to get accurate results with a DSLR:.

Http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/nikon_test/test.htm.

I'm not talking DSLRs, I'm talking in terms of professional astrophotography, look at NASA who's gone the furthest with CMOS and you'll still see them wanting CCDs for critical applications- heck do any search on CCD vs CMOS and you'll see why..

Paulhttp://PaulDRobertson.imagekind.com..

Comment #20

As others have said, there's very little difference in terms of image quality, sensor, features, etc. To me, there are two major differences to consider:.

1. Ergonomics and menu systems. A lot of people like Nikon's better, but it's a personal choice. Go to a store, and play around with both for a while and decide for yourself..

2. Lens selection. This is the big one. Without getting too technical, the Nikon D40x can not autofocus with a lot of lenses. There are a lot of AF-S lenses that will work, but these are mostly zooms. Someone mentioned the lack of AF-S prime lenses.

If you do any low-light shooting, or indoors, or portrait work, this is going to be a big deal for you. With Canon, you can spend $70 and get the 50mm f/1.8 prime. Everyone loves this lens: for the price, it's magic. With the D40x, the fastest you can get is f/2.8. That's more than a whole stop, and believe you me, you'll miss it..

I don't want to sound too much like I'm pushing for the Canon, both are great cameras. But think about what you'll need. If you don't understand why a lens like the 50mm f/1.8 (or any fast prime lens) is such a critical tool, and what it is good for, learn why first, then choose the body..

CaribouMan..

Comment #21

Paqman wrote:.

Joehic1991 wrote:.

Firstly, the main difference would be in price - with the Canon beingalmost around 50% more than the Nikon [which should give you someindication of which is a better camera...].

You're WAY off, there's little difference in price..

Yes, price is consideration when deciding what to purchase. It is not necessarily a good indicator of quality or value. Perhaps the source you quote from had Nikon on special one day..

It's also conceivable that neither Canon nor Nikon is the best value..

I don't think any of the names people recognize as camera or optical companies make a poor product today. Feel the various camera's in your hands. Test the ergonomics. Look at the next step up in each product line even if you don't intend to purchase it...

Comment #22

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