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Hey everyone. I've been looking for quite some time, and I've been interested in the Canon XT or XTi and Nikon D70s. Recently I was talking to this guy at a camera store and he was telling me that he thinks that Olympus puts out a better product because (according to him) their lenses are better, they have IS inside the body itself and they're more resonably priced for what you get. That totally threw me for a loop and now I'm really confused. I never see pros shooting Olympus, it's always either Canon or Nikon. The Rebal XT puts out larger pictures, but the D70s has a bigger LCD.

I'm totally confused please let me know what you think..

I'm going to be doing all sorts of things. Shooting people, landscapes, rarely sports, but I just want a good all around camera for around the price range of the 3 I mentioned..

Thankscaleb..

Comments (37)

My d70 has the built-in ability to drive a remote, wireless flash. if the d70s has that and you use flash then that's a valuable feature. or maybe get a used D200 once folks starting trading in for the D300...

Comment #1

Calskin wrote:.

Hey everyone. I've been looking for quite some time, and I've beeninterested in the Canon XT or XTi and Nikon D70s. Recently I wastalking to this guy at a camera store and he was telling me that hethinks that Olympus puts out a better product because (according tohim) their lenses are better, they have IS inside the body itself andthey're more resonably priced for what you get. That totally threwme for a loop and now I'm really confused. I never see pros shootingOlympus, it's always either Canon or Nikon..

What the pros shoot is not really relevant as you're not buying pro level equiptment. You're looking for bang for the buck at the lower end of the spectrum..

The Rebal XT puts outlarger pictures, but the D70s has a bigger LCD. My cousin shootsNikon, but he says that if he wasn't already using their stuff, he'dprobably switch to Canon because their sensor is better. I'm totallyconfused please let me know what you think..

There's really nothing to be confused about. The reality is that any of those cameras, Oly E-510 included, will give you great pictures. The differences in picture quality is slight and hardly anyone agrees as to which is best..

Your best bet is to get your hands on them and get a feel for them. Then just choose the one that you like best. There really are no bad choices..

I'm going to be doing all sorts of things. Shooting people,landscapes, rarely sports, but I just want a good all around camerafor around the price range of the 3 I mentioned..

Thankscaleb.

Personally I like the Oly E-510 dual lens kit, currently selling at B&H for about $780..

In body IS, lens coverage from 28 to 300mm (35mm equivilent). Excellent optics in the kit lenses. A dust buster that really does keep the dust off the sensor. And live view for when you don't want to get down on the wet ground to take that close-up shot..

Lots of great glass available if you want to upgrade. And best of all a friendly forum.A member of the rabble in good standing...

Comment #2

Re>I never see pros shooting Olympus, it's always either Canon or Nikon. <.

Rememb er, the only pros you see are newpaper and wedding photographers. Everyone else is in the shadows or the studio or on location in Bora-Bora..

Maybe they use Olympus they don't but they could..

What you need is a three headed coin, plus an injection of skepticism when you listen to people. The Nikon - Canon comment is bunk, for instance..

The camera does not matter very much. Anything with 20 percent of the price of anything else is probably just as good..

But if budget permits, buy new: each generation of camera is better than the one before it...

Comment #3

It doesn't matter one bit! All three produce excellent cameras. And unless you have some very specific needs, probably any of them will keep you very happy..

Oh sure, Oly kit lenses are probably the best kit lenses out there, but Canon does a great job on noise, and Nikon has that wonderful backwards compatibility with their legacy lenses..

Do you see where this is headed? All three have strengths and weakesses and ANY choice you make will cause you to get an imperfect camera..

Shop around and find the one with the features you want at the best possible price. Don't worry to much about the which camera dillema.STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

Comment #4

Calskin wrote:.

I never see pros shooting Olympus, it's always either Canon or Nikon..

I sense that you are not a pro, so this is a silly concern..

Now if your cousind with the Nikon is important to you, perhaps you should buy what he owns? Nah, you can't even spell "Nikon", so you obviously don't deserve one... .

I'm totally confused please let me know what you think..

I agree. You are totally confused. You need to get out more. Go to a camera store. Pick up each of your candidates. Look through their viewfinders.



Buy the one that you like. It's that simple. Don't ever listen to salesmen!.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #5

Will you do pro work? Then why do you want to use what "pros" use? "Pros" use specific tools for specific tasks. Their cameras are good for "pro" work and are utterly horrible for other uses..

You should pick a camera that suits your needs, not someone else's. This is a good place to ask questions, to find out which one will suit your needs..

All in all, they will all work perfectly fine for a beginner..

Tim'Be the change you wish to see in the world.' -Mahatma Gandhihttp://www.flickr.com/photos/timskis6/..

Comment #6

When you buy a dSLR, you are buying into a 'system'. A system of lenses. A system of bodies. And you're signing up for the companies customer support system too..

When you see "pros" using certain cameras, I think it's completely valid to make assumptions about the company based on your observations. I once asked on this forum why a lot of Sports shooters and papparazzi seem to favor Canon's with the white lenses? While some people wanted to tell me that what I was seeing was wrong, most people responded with a simple truth - Canon's Long Tele lenses were more reasonably priced than Nikon's equivalent, and on top of Canon's low noise sensor, made the Canon 'system' a prefered choice for these shooters who need that tele distance all the time. Simple answer..

Even though many people love Canon and Oly, I chose to go with Nikon. Why? Because of all the companies, Nikon seemed genuinely dedicated to supporting the whole system, and would not be prone to changing the whole system just because numbers were down this year in corporate. I just 'trusted' the Nikon schtick more..

So I had my things that were important to me, and I chose based on that. I didn't even consider Oly at all because I was never influenced by a salesman. I'm sure they make great cams too..

But this decision IS important if you ask me. Unless you just have cash lying around your house in piles and your last name is Rockafeller. I've seen Nikon people switch system to Canon, Canon to Nikon etc. But that ain't pretty if you ask me. Tons of money and energy spent trying to have it all..

We all have our sales points. Mine is how often I've seen good work with my own eyes from that company, and Nikon won that battle for me. While I agree that Nikon, Canon, Oly, Pentax etc. all make GREAT cameras, I don't agree that they all produce the same pictures. The differences are small, but they are there..

A picture is worth a thousand words really. Look at pictures from each of these systems, and pick the cam you think makes the prettiest pictures.:-) All else is irrelevant..

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Comment #7

Maybe this will help..

I choose my Pentax K100D for the following reasons :.

(1) Felt good in my hands and like the view-finder ( compared to the others ). Good photos won't happen if you are not comfortable with your camera..

(2) A good entry level DSLR with in-body ant-shake.

(3) Like the use of AA's ( which some people like, some don't )..

(4) Plenty of lenses. Not as many as Canon and Nikon, but I can mount almost any old Pentax compatible lens, which is somthing a Nikon or Canon user cannot do..

(5) Many Pentax lenses are class leaders. The limited edition primes and the older 50mm f 1.7 lenses are wonderful, for example..

Now, in principle, I could use it for Pro work but I would not for two reasons. First I'm not a pro - I cannot take pro standard shots well enough, often enough. Secondly you need good lens for pro work and I don't want to buy expensive glass ( well I do, but I don't want to pay for expensive glass ! ).

That first reason is the top one, unless you plan professional work, in which case you may need to be able to land in a city and rent or buy a good lens anytime - that's Canon or Nikon territory. However there are plenty of Pro's using Pentaxes because they already have a large collection of Pentax lenses and they like them..

Don't let the fact that the majority do a thing lead your thinking. The majority have their own reasons, you have yours. Concentrate on yours..

StephenG.

Pentax K100DFuji S5200Fuji E900PCLinuxOS..

Comment #8

Thanks a lot everyone. My biggest concern is that I want to grow in my abilities, and I don't want to outgrow my glass. I know that my current choices are not professional bodies, but I'm not planning on keeping the body forever. I am hoping that once I upgrade cameras I can keep the lenses though because it's quite a big part of the investment to throw away. Therefore I'm leaning more towards buying the XTi because of the options for upgrading and I can keep the lenses with it. I realise that I can do that with Nikon also, but like was mentioned, I'm flipping a coin on that one because they both seem like interesting companies.caleb..

Comment #9

XTi doesn't have Spot Meter mode. This is important feature allowing to meter differently lighted subjects in frame and make your own decision on perfect compromise exposure. At certail lighting conditions(tough contrasts) this is very important..

Nikkor, Canon, Pentax, Minolta all made great, mediocre and bad glass. Default lens comming with any cameras is somewhere between mediocre and bad. Don't full yourself thinking that word "Canon" gives you any warranty on image quality..

Buy camera body and lens you prefer after checking reviews/MTF athttp://old.photodo.com/nav/prodindex.html.

Another important investment is External bounce flash.http://www.stan-pustylnik.smugmug.com..

Comment #10

Sounds like you're on the right track Caleb! If I could make one more suggestion...don't wait too long before buying at least one piece of 'really' nice glass for your new camera, because it's really a different world than the lower-end lenses. Bodies may come and go, but the glass on the front makes the biggest impact in image quality imho. So buy at least 1 great lens (like a prime) so you can see what all the fuss is about!.

Again, good luck!.

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Comment #11

All great cameras!Nikon D40 and D40X users swear by them, and that leaves you some $$ for lenses.I use a D80 and love the 18-135 kit lens.Read the Canon, Nikon, and Olymus forums.Hold them in your hands.And fire away!.

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Comment #12

To your list and you have the five cameras you need to look at to make a choice. Any of these five brands will produce better photographs than most of us are capable to taking. The choice among these five outstanding brands is a personal choice based on how the camera feels to you and possibly what lenses you have left over from pre-digital days. Try them and make your own choicefans of each are convinced theirs is best...

Comment #13

Thanks everyone. Even more things to think about, but at least I'm not freaked out about making the wrong decision now.caleb..

Comment #14

Calskin wrote:.

... interested in the Canon XT or XTi and Nikon D70s..

... Olympus puts out a better product because (according tohim) their lenses are better, they have IS inside the body itself andthey're more resonably priced for what you get..

They do have in body IS. Could save you some coin in the future. But it reportedly doesn't work as well for long lenses, which is mostly where you want it..

Also, you can see the effect of in-lens IS in the viewfindervery nice. Not so with in camera IS..

I never see pros shootingOlympus, it's always either Canon or Nikon..

Newspaper reporters shoot whatever brand lenses their employer has in their lens pool. Usually Canon these days..

Having said that, it's nice to be able to rent a special lens for your camera (important to pros), to find a battery in most camera stores, and a technician who can service your camera. You get that with Canon and Nikon..

Please let me know what you think..

If you think this will be a lasting, and important hobby for you, I suggest Canon or Nikon. If you'll be on to something else next year, also consider the Olympus, In camera IS would be nice..

JerryG.

See my galleries at:http://www.pbase.com/jerryg1..

Comment #15

That stuff about inbody ISS not working well for long lenses has been shown to be total myth, largely encouraged by Canon fans. Recent tests show inbody is very competitive at all focal lengths. Actually, seeing the motion in the viewfinder is a good reminder that you need to be steadier for any system to help...

Comment #16

I would second looking at pentax. Some people don't even consider it because it's not one of the "big 2" or the fact they were just bought by Hoya (major glass manufacturer) a couple months ago and are in a transition period. While I went your same dilemna over the summer and now have a K10D and find it's plenty camera for me to learn and expand my skills with, I would suggest the K100D Super for you. You could consider the non-Super version but that doesn't have the contacts for the supersonic focusing DA star lenses, dust reduction (still up in the air if it trully works), and improved in-body shake reduction..

As for the K100D Super, it's only a 6 MP sensor but is able to go up to ISO 3200 with less noise than a larger sensor. Also, most people consider the textures and details are better preserved with pentax's noise reduction. The in-body shake reduction works for any and all lenses as opposed to having it in the lens and is just as effective (if not more so) than in the lens. It uses AA batteries which some like and some don't. The auto-focus is considered somewhat slower but is considered more accurate than others. Since you said that you wouldn't be doing much sports/fast action photos, then the slower AF wouldn't be a pain.

Many people also prefer the ergonomics and control layout better as opposed to the others..

And you can't forget about all the great glass that the Pentax supports. Virtually every k mount lense ever made will work on this camera too..

Also, someone said they saw an ad saying there would be a $100 rebate for the K100D Super starting on the 18th. Just something to keep in mind..

Most important though is how the camera feels to you. Make a point to go out and hold and snap a few pictures with each camera and see how they feel to you...

Comment #17

Dlkeller wrote:.

That stuff about inbody ISS not working well for long lenses has beenshown to be total myth, largely encouraged by Canon fans..

You may be right, I've not seen actual test results, just user reports..

Recent tests show inbody is very competitive at all focal lengths..

I'm very interested in seeing those. Can you give us a link or two?.

Actually, seeing the motion in the viewfinder is a good reminder thatyou need to be steadier for any system to help..

Actually, seeing the IS failing to steady the shot is a much better reminder .

JerryG.

See my galleries at:http://www.pbase.com/jerryg1..

Comment #18

Http://www.popphoto.com/...15/image-stabilization-special-stop-the-shake.html.

I realize Popular Photography isn't considered the last word, but it was an interesting article. Of course the Sony DSLR Forum has a lot of examples and comments on this issuecertainly without bias. My personal experience has been good with 300 and 500 MM. The KM and Sony stabilization systems do have an indicator in the viewfinder to help judge your steadiness. I just haven't seen the lack of stabilization in the viewfinder a real issue in practical use..

I'm not a Sony fan-boy, and in fact highly recommended Nikon to two of my brothers. I just feel this particular claim, made mostly by Canon, is highly unjustified propaganda on their part. I have also read, again on the Sony Forum, of delay problems with in lens stabilization, especially on the first shot of a sequence. I don't know how valid this information was, but it did give pause for thought...

Comment #19

Each IS lens costs much more then same without IS!.

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Comment #20

Dlkeller wrote:.

Http://www.popphoto.com/...15/image-stabilization-special-stop-the-shake.html.

Thanks for that link. From my read, the best in-lens system offer a 3-4 stop improvement, while the best in-camera system give a 2-3 stop improvemnt..

You do pay a lot for that extra stop with Canon or Nikon, especially if you buy several IS lenses..

JerryG.

See my galleries at:http://www.pbase.com/jerryg1..

Comment #21

But not a word about Leica....

Regards, David.

PS BTW, my experience of IS is that nothing beats a tripod. IS might work for a stop or two but then it falls flat on it's face. nd no batteries required for a tripod...

Comment #22

David Hughes wrote:.

PS BTW, my experience of IS is that nothing beats a tripod....

Yes, but there are lots of places where tripods are not allowed. Museums, for example.JerryG.

See my galleries at:http://www.pbase.com/jerryg1..

Comment #23

JerryG1 wrote:.

David Hughes wrote:.

PS BTW, my experience of IS is that nothing beats a tripod....

Yes, but there are lots of places where tripods are not allowed.Museums, for example..

I agree but I've found out the hard way that IS isn't always able to cope. And I have had s exposures fail with IS but s works with older, bigger cameras that I can hold with both hands..

Regards, David..

Comment #24

I feel that while each system has their own pros and cons, a lot of which have been outlined well here, it really depends on what your primary focus is, and when it comes down to it, how comfortable you feel with each system is the ultimate deciding factor. In the right hands, any good camera can be utilised to take great shots, but some people just prefer the feel and performance of one given brand over another. Factoring in your price range and long-range plans with photography, I would probably be learning toward either Nikon or Canon personally, as they both have the biggest, most well developed systems, though it wouldn't be fair to entirely rule out other brands..

Buying a camera body is a little tricker with the market being so fleeting. If you pull the trigger on an XTi now with the intention of possibly selling it in the future to move onto a better camera, it's resale value will have significantly dropped. You may want to consider paying extra for something with more lasting value that will serve you as well now as it will a few years down the road, even if it means sacrificing on buying more lenses right away..

- Dylan.

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Comment #25

Pros buy into a system. We have specific needs that some systems take care of better than others. I recently switched from Canon to Fuji/Nikon because I do weddings and the S5 was simply able to deliver what I wanted. It was painful and expensive. It's too bad there is no standard for lens mount, but that's the way it is. So, play with cameras, lenses and flash, see which one makes sense to you, see which one's features fit what you want to take pictures of.

Olympus exited that market when it let it's E1 age for 4 years and Pentax and Sony have never been in it (though Sony is headed there and the K10D is a VERY nice camera for the price)...

Comment #26

As others have said test drive them all before purchase if possible, check out the forums. At present only the Olympus E510 has i/s in body , it's a great camera by all accounts. I have an E500 and am very happy with it and the kit lenses are great !.

Regards.

Tim Hughes..

Comment #27

Thanks again everyone. I'm still leaning more towards the XTi than anything else. Main reason is like was said, Canon and Nikon are the only one's that produce professional dslrs. I realise I'm no pro, but some day I hope to be and I'd rather not have to chuck all my lenses when I upgrade.caleb..

Comment #28

Calskin wrote:.

Thanks again everyone. I'm still leaning more towards the XTi thananything else. Main reason is like was said, Canon and Nikon are theonly one's that produce professional dslrs..

I don't know who told you that but they didn't half get it wrong....

Regards, David..

Comment #29

Calskin wrote:.

Thanks again everyone. I'm still leaning more towards the XTi thanMain reason is like was said, Canon and Nikon are theonly one's that produce professional dslrs..

If that's you're conclusion. You haven't understood a thing....

All major brands make great cameras and have great lenses to match. There are lot's of pro's who use other brands. Oly in my view have the most spectacular zooms in the business right now..

Do as someone else said earlier. Look at the system. "Shop" the package you need and want. The total line is actually quite different from brand to brand. The most popular Canon camera bodies (the crop bodies) do not have the choice of a really good IS zoom that can also do wide angle shots..

(Happy Canon user myself)..

Comment #30

Maiaibing wrote:.

If that's you're conclusion. You haven't understood a thing....

This made me laugh because it's probably more true than I know. I still think I want to go with Canon though.caleb..

Comment #31

Calskin wrote:.

Maiaibing wrote:.

If that's you're conclusion. You haven't understood a thing....

This made me laugh because it's probably more true than I know. Istill think I want to go with Canon though..

If you think this is funny, you deserve to own a Canon. Go for it!.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #32

Was asking myself the same sort of question about 18 months ago and the advice all folks are giving you is, in hindsight, spot on....

1. All the brands mentioned give excellent results, if you take the time to learn how to use them. Taking photos and reading posts on forums like this are the best ways to do this..

2. Go to a shop and feel the camera in your hands. I was was convinced 18 months ago that I was going to walk away with a Canon XTi but it felt wrong - I don't have massive hands, but I felt like I was having to use just my fingers, not my whole hand, to hold it. I figured if it didn't feel comfortable I wouldn't use it....

A friend of mine loves his and has produced very good results with it. Everyone's different....

3. The pros using Canon and Nikon argument is irrelevant... far more important than the body of the camera is the glass, and all the major brands make different grades - with all makes you can gradually upgrade as your needs demand. As the quality of glass improves, more often than not so does the weight. More expensive may not necessarily suit your needs. If it's too heavy, you probably won't take it with you...



4. Have a look at Flickr or Pbase and use the camera finder to look at the results people are achieving from these cameras. That way you can can look at the type of shooting you might be interested in, see the subtle diiferences and also see the fantastic results any of the cameras you are mentioning are capable of..

Go to a Jessops or wherever and try them all out... you will not make a bad choice, unless you choose one because of the name written on it rather than how it feels..

And ignore the shop assistant, who probably has his own agenda, favourite brand, or both....

Good luck!..

Comment #33

Is right...except:Jason Turner wrote:.

4. Have a look at Flickr or Pbase and use the camera finder to lookat the results people are achieving from these cameras. That way youcan can look at the type of shooting you might be interested in, seethe subtle diiferences and also see the fantastic results any of thecameras you are mentioning are capable of..

Unfortunately, the small images make valid comparisons impossible. What you DO see is that it's mostly the photographer who determines the image, not the equipment..

Whatever, you get, learn to use it, even with it's limitations. There are always techinques to get around anything!.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #34

Wow that last user did not want you to buy a canon to each his own. That is why I am voting get a canon I have the 300 D and my XTi should be here on tuesday. Just check out how clear the pics are, I am a true believer in Canon but your buying the camera and really you should use what is in your price range and what ever brand you get I am sure is a good one. Have fun...

Comment #35

Wow! That's the first time I've heard/seen a true believer admit other view points could exist but it does underline the point that many people see the choice of a camera as a sort of religion with only one true path and the others destined for the fire and brimstone treatment..

So pick whatever you're happy with but don't take it to the point where you can't see it as a lump of metal, plastic and glass. When all's said and done it's just a tool and if you're happy with it, then that's half the battle won..

The worse thing you can do is chose some make because every one has one. best to chose one you feel comfortable with, in every way..

Regards, David..

Comment #36

Xquisite wrote:.

Wow that last user did not want you to buy a canon to each his own..

No, I simply think that caleb is using the wrong process..

That is why I am voting get a canon.

You, like many, are voting that caleb buy what you have..

I have the 300 D and my XTi should be here on tuesday..

I noted that your goal was to, "own as many Canon camera's that I can afford"...are you a collector?.

Just check out how clear the pics are,.

All the cameras that caleb are considering make "clear' pictures..

I am a true believer in Canon.

Yes, you have made it a "religion"....

But your buying the camera and really you should use what is in your price range.

All the cameras that caleb is considering are in the same price range..

And what ever brand you get I am sure is a good one..

Agreed..

BTW, I like Canon as a company and have 2 Canon printers. But they make cameras that you hold with your fingers, not your hand. If caleb has big hands, he will soon hate to hold the XTi..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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