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My 16 yo will begin studying photography next semester. I asked his teacher what type of camera he should have. She responded with if money is not an option then a DSLR, however if we were limited by budget a good point and shoot. If you were buying a point and shoot for yourself or your teenager which would you purchase and why? What are your suggestions for a good point and shoot? Please advise and thanks to each of you that take time to advise me in this matter...

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For the price of a top end point and shoot you can get a pentax!.

Their K100D Super Kits (18-55 lens) are dirt cheap right now..

You also have alot of choices for inexpensive lenses within the 10-200mm range...

Comment #1

It would be hard to beat the DSLR for learning (all the film, processing, trips to the lab are already paid for).

Average $3-4 a roll for film (24 shots) and about $8-10 fro processing and you can see it will not take to long for the film camera to cost much more than a decent DSLR, and of-course instant feedback makes the learning part faster and much more fun..

At 16 I dont think I could bring myself to spend to much, I would think a more solidly built used DSLR camera may be better than a cheap new one..

The Nikon d1 goes for well under $500 on ebay (I am sure canon has a similar model), and once your done with it just ebay it again.

Kl64 wrote:.

My 16 yo will begin studying photography next semester. I asked histeacher what type of camera he should have. She responded with ifmoney is not an option then a DSLR, however if we were limited bybudget a good point and shoot. If you were buying a point and shootfor yourself or your teenager which would you purchase and why? Whatare your suggestions for a good point and shoot? Please advise andthanks to each of you that take time to advise me in this matter..

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Comment #2

There are plenty of good point and shoot (PS) cameras. Just make sure the camera has full manual controls (shutter, F-stop, ISO). These features typically come in on middle of the range..

However a used DSLR with a kit lens can be a great buy..

I agree with the others that digital is the way to go for a student. Film and processing costs can eat a student alive. Letting them shoot unlimited with digital allows them to learn more by not being afraid to take the shot to see what happens...

Comment #3

Probably the best thing about digital cameras is the instant preview of the histogram.

Once a person learns what a histogram is and how it should look vs what you are trying achieve, it can be of immense value at actually taking quality photos...

Comment #4

Full manual control usually doesn't exist on P&S cameras for one simple reason: they don't have fully adjustable diaphragms on their lenses..

Nikon D40 with kit lens is less than $500. Far superior to a P&S...

Comment #5

And, if a D40 doesn't fit your budget, I'd recommend a Canon P&S. The A570-IS is a nice camera with some manual control...

Comment #6

Don't mess around with used DSLR's..

They are selling for about the same price you can get a brand new one these days..

Not to mention that, when buying a used DSLR from someone you don't know.chances are you are buying someone elsed problems!.

I saw a Pentax K110D body brand new yesterday for $400 US before $100 rebate..

Better choice than someone elses toss away (ie.- used camera)..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

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Comment #7

There's a refurbished Nikon d40 and kit kens at Adorama for $400..

Http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=recommend&sku=INKD50R..

Comment #8

I bought my Pentax used, 3000 shutter operations + 1 fall later it's still kicking with no problems...

Comment #9

Gooshin wrote:.

I bought my Pentax used, 3000 shutter operations + 1 fall later itsstill kicking with no problems..

That may be true.but, as with anything used, you are taking your chances buying used!.

And with no warranty, I might add..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

Remember.always keep the box and everything that came in it!..

Comment #10

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:.

Gooshin wrote:.

I bought my Pentax used, 3000 shutter operations + 1 fall later itsstill kicking with no problems..

That may be true.but, as with anything used, you are takingyour chances buying used!.

And with no warranty, I might add..

Excellent point considering Nikon offers a 5-year warranty on it's lenses to the original purchaser...

Comment #11

MaryGierth wrote:.

There's a refurbished Nikon d40 and kit kens at Adorama for $400..

Http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=recommend&sku=INKD50R.

For $100 or so more than the refurb, you can get a brand new one with full manufacturer's warranty that has never been opened, touched or used by anyone else, let alone already having had open heart surgery!.

A refurb is shouting at you that this camera was already defective out of the box, and the refurb warranty is not the same as with a brand new camera..

Ever buy a brand new car and have an accident within the first month or two of buying it?.

After getting it back from the body shop.it just doesn't feel like it is brand new anymore..

This happened with my wife's car..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

Remember.always keep the box and everything that came in it!..

Comment #12

Well the guy I bought my camera from was a local, and offered to help me with warranty work (he still had a year of it left on the camera) if anything ever needed to be done..

Whether he will hold his word if it ever comes to that is anyones guess but i'm optimistic when it comes to social interactions ..

Comment #13

Whether or not it's a good deal will depend on the market. I don't know how good a deal this is relative to what other deals are out there. I've bought a refurbished Nikon lens from Cameta Camera and in my opinion it was as good as new. I would consider refurbished cameras and lens from a reputable source. If the OP is considering refurbished /used they could ask for comments on a particluar deal and or source once they narrow down their choices...

Comment #14

I recommend the superzoom p&s for your student. One of them will cost between $300 and $400.00. You will get an 15-18X zoom with image stabilization..

Canon, Panasonic and Olympus all make decent models. The Panasonic receives better reviews because the zoom range starts at 28mm and has a raw format option..

A dslr may start out costing $400.00 but the accessories are more expensive. To effectively cover the zoom range with slr lenses could run more than $1,000.00.

Finally if your student out grows the p&s you could inherit a very nice camera..

REd..

Comment #15

Zooming would be the last thing on a photography students agenda.

He or she should first learn about light manipulation, exposure, and depth of field control.

Also image stabilization and all that jazz only make you a more sloppy photographer. A trained arm + aids will produce much better results than someone who would start relying on such technology to begin with..

I have a 35mm prime stuck on my camera 80% of the time, one can zoom with their legs too .

Red13 wrote:.

I recommend the superzoom p&s for your student. One of them willcost between $300 and $400.00. You will get an 15-18X zoom withimage stabilization..

Canon, Panasonic and Olympus all make decent models. The Panasonicreceives better reviews because the zoom range starts at 28mm and hasa raw format option..

A dslr may start out costing $400.00 but the accessories are moreexpensive. To effectively cover the zoom range with slr lenses couldrun more than $1,000.00.

Finally if your student out grows the p&s you could inherit a verynice camera..

REd..

Comment #16

A few things to keep in mind.if you give your student a DSLR, you are going to be "locked into" a system. Which can be good or bad depending on your situation..

Going outside the big two (Canon or Nikon) has lots of costs involved when you start adding lenses, flashes, accecories, etc. Trust me I know. I owned a Minolta XTsi. Great camera. When I wanted to start learning studio lighting, I had to follow a jurrie-rigged setup to fire the strobes. If I had had a Canon, a simply Flash sycn would have been available an dworked..

Some shoot with multiple cameras. I know several that have a Pentax, Minolta (now Sony) and Canon setups..

Hope that helps..

I would suggest looking for a local camera shop that sells used equipment. I've bought several cameras this way..

Just my 2cnts..

Comment #17

Nikon and Canon can cost you a pretty penny.

I currently own a used Pentax K100D, 300 dollars.

A 43mm pentax prime (350)a 35mm pentax prime (250) useda 21mm pentax prime (400)a 50mm Chinon prime (5 dollars) useda 16mm fisheye vivitar prime (150 dollars) (russia!)a 80-200 Tokina Zoom (40 dollars) used.

And a Vivitar Thyristor flash, that cost me 10 dollars..

Expensive you say?.

My close friend has a canon 30D, and I KNOW how much HIS lenses are costing him..

Comment #18

Pentax lenses tend to be less. When you throw in the quality, they are really bargains. The backward compatability is a real bonus..

At the entry level, the K100D is far from the stripped down alternatives and will actually give "high end" results, although without the 10MP of the higher models...

Comment #19

K1000Photographer wrote:.

Pentax lenses tend to be less. When you throw in the quality, theyare really bargains. The backward compatability is a real bonus..

At the entry level, the K100D is far from the stripped downalternatives and will actually give "high end" results, althoughwithout the 10MP of the higher models..

I teach at at a high school that teaches digital photography. the cameras used are Pentax (KDxx models) and some entry-level Nikon models. Both are great starter cameras. Though I'm not to particular on the plastic feel of each of the above, they are good cameras..

Someone starting with these cameras could learn a lot. Later on, they can choose to switch/upgrade...

Comment #20

Ive handeled the following cameras.

Pentax K10DPentax K100DNikon D80Nikon D40Canon XTCanon XTiCanon 30D.

By far my favorite would be the 30D in terms of feel and build, followed by the K10D.

The D80 is also hefty and fits well in my hand (i have large hands).

However out of the smaller cameras I personaly found the K100D to fit better than the rest of them, with a close match vs the D40.

The canon's XT and XTi's are much more plastic feeling than the pentax/nikon.

My ex, who has an XT got finger nail scraches on the body where the lens attaches within the first 2 days of owning it, thats plastic for you..

Silverwind wrote:.

K1000Photographer wrote:.

Pentax lenses tend to be less. When you throw in the quality, theyare really bargains. The backward compatability is a real bonus..

At the entry level, the K100D is far from the stripped downalternatives and will actually give "high end" results, althoughwithout the 10MP of the higher models..

I teach at at a high school that teaches digital photography. thecameras used are Pentax (KDxx models) and some entry-level Nikonmodels. Both are great starter cameras. Though I'm not toparticular on the plastic feel of each of the above, they are goodcameras..

Someone starting with these cameras could learn a lot. Later on,they can choose to switch/upgrade...

Comment #21

Silverwind wrote:.

Going outside the big two (Canon or Nikon) has lots of costs involvedwhen you start adding lenses, flashes, accecories, etc..

Not quite sure I understand this..

Considering if you want image stabilization, Canon and Nikon lenses cost 2-4 times (or more) what lenses for Pentax, Olympus and Sony (Minolta) do, and most of their models have in-body IS, which makes all of their lenses stabilized on IS bodies..

The rest of their accessories are in the same ballpark as Canon or Nikon, except Canon seems to be really proud of their flash units!.

Probably one of the best DSLR buys out their right now is the Olympus E-510.and I'm not saying this because I own one, but since I sell cameras everyday I know which cameras provide the best quality and value for the money..

Brand new, the E-510 body with two lenses (28-300mm 35mm equivalent between the two lenses) is selling for $750 or less!.

10 megapixel, in-body image stabilizer, the only sensor-based dust reduction system that really works, live view on the LCD monitor, and the best kit lenses out of all the DSLR brands.it is a great camera..

All any student needs to get started..

And is a great system to build on in the future..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

From my E-510:.

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