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A bit humbled, I'm back to square one... after trying/returning high megapixels in compact package (Canon G9) then an SLR-like super zoom package (Panasonic FZ50) I realize image quality is the bottom line and that means fewer mp on larger sensors with better IQ and ISO range..

I'm thinking the Canon XT with the new 18-55 IS lens (about $600 on Amazon) is the cost-benefit choice right now... and 8 mp on a larger sensor should be good enough for 250-plus dpi A3 prints I want to work towards..

My wife tells me whatever I do next, I live with and no more returns (with attendant shipping costs), so any other suggestions before the plunge?.

Brian..

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BLawson wrote:.

I'm thinking the Canon XT with the new 18-55 IS lens (about $600 onAmazon) is the cost-benefit choice right now... and 8 mp on a largersensor should be good enough for 250-plus dpi A3 prints I want towork towards..

Great Value for money. The lens is good too.Highly Recommended Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

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BLawson wrote:.

A bit humbled, I'm back to square one... after trying/returninghigh megapixels in compact package (Canon G9) then an SLR-like superzoom package (Panasonic FZ50) I realize image quality is the bottomline and that means fewer mp on larger sensors with better IQ and ISOrange..

Yes! I see you have had an epiphany....

Go read this:.

Http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/?page_id=11.

I'm thinking the Canon XT with the new 18-55 IS lens (about $600 onAmazon) is the cost-benefit choice right now... and 8 mp on a largersensor should be good enough for 250-plus dpi A3 prints I want towork towards..

Also look at the Nikon D40 w/ 18-55 lens (about $495 on Amazon) and add the 55-200 VR lens for $212. You don't need VR/IS much on short FL lenses....

The D40 has 40% larger photosites than the XT... .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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Chuxter wrote:.

Yes! I see you have had an epiphany....

Go read this:.

Http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/?page_id=11.

Also look at the Nikon D40 w/ 18-55 lens (about $495 on Amazon) andadd the 55-200 VR lens for $212. You don't need VR/IS much on shortFL lenses....

Thanks for the input, and great link to the BridgeBlog..

Now, let's assume I'm no spring chicken and that like everybody I have more hand shake at ,hypothetically, 62 than I did at 22, doesn't IS help at every FL? More at the long end of the lens, but even up close and personal at the short end?Brian..

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BLawson wrote:.

Chuxter wrote:.

Yes! I see you have had an epiphany....

Go read this:.

Http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/?page_id=11.

Also look at the Nikon D40 w/ 18-55 lens (about $495 on Amazon) andadd the 55-200 VR lens for $212. You don't need VR/IS much on shortFL lenses....

Thanks for the input, and great link to the BridgeBlog.Now, let's assume I'm no spring chicken and that like everybody Ihave more hand shake at ,hypothetically, 62 than I did at 22,doesn't IS help at every FL? More at the long end of the lens,but even up close and personal at the short end?.

Sure, it helps. But if the blur diameter (at the sensor) due to your shaky hands is less than the circle of confusion, you won't see any improvement. In practice, VR/IS is not worth much on a WA lens! That's why you don't see many/any....

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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Chuxter wrote:.

Sure, it helps. But if the blur diameter (at the sensor) due to yourshaky hands is less than the circle of confusion, you won't see anyimprovement. In practice, VR/IS is not worth much on a WA lens!That's why you don't see many/any....

Now I am confused. In novice language, is there any observable difference (shake reduction to no shake reduction) with the newer 18-55 VR on a Nikon D40 or the IS on the Canon XT (asuming the general opitical quality is the same). If no real difference at these shorter focal lengths, I'll go with the standard kit lenses and save some money.Brian..

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Brian,.

Charlie never uses 3 little words where 10 big ones will do..

The 35mm rule of thumb was that most people can safely hand hold shots at the reciprocal of the focal length. So at 50mm - 1/50th. The crop factor means that the rule now is 1.5 x the reciprocal of the focal length. So at 50mm - 1/75. In practice you will get away with 1/60th without much difficulty..

So at 18mm the rule gives 1/25th and at 55mm 1/80th..

Now with a 55-200mm lens you can see where the difficulty is. At 200mm you might need 1/300th to be safe..

It is a rule of thumb. The incidence of shots with camera shake will increase the lower the shutter speed below the rule of thumb (Though many can hold way below that and good technique helps). There is no sudden point at which shots become useless..

If in doubt either bump up the ISO to increase shutter speed (ISO 400 on a DSLR is perfectly OK and note that the base ISO on the D40 is ISO 200 which will double your shutter speed anyway compared to ISO 100) or take an extra shot or two (They are free!).

The older non-VR Canon 18-55mm lens is universally regarded as weak. The older non-IS Nikon 18-55 gets very good reviews. Check out these sites for lens reviews:.

Http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/overviewhttp://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showcat.php/cat/2.

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/..

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BLawson wrote:.

Now I am confused. In novice language, is there any observabledifference (shake reduction to no shake reduction) with the newer18-55 VR on a Nikon D40 or the IS on the Canon XT (asuming thegeneral opitical quality is the same). If no real difference at theseshorter focal lengths, I'll go with the standard kit lenses and savesome money..

Whether image stabilisation (what Canon call it) or vibraton reduction (what Nikon call it) makes a difference depends on what shutter speed and focal length you are using. It gets more important at longer focal lengths as the image gets mroe magnificied and the effects of shake get more apparent. On an 18-55 lens it might well come in useful at the 55mm end if you are taking pictures in low light at shuhtter speeds of 1/15 or 1/30 second..

Equally importantly, the non-IS Canon 18-55 was regarded as rather poor. The newer 18-55 (IS) version is optically much better, as well has having the IS built in. NIkon's 18-55 (without VR) is also good..

Your choice (Canon XT with 18-55 IS lens) is an excellent one..

Best wishes.

Mike..

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Chris, you used 232 words to refute my 90 words. Hmmm....

And your average word was 4.55 characters, whereas mine was only 4.29 charaters. Hmmm....

I only used ONE complicated term, "circle of confusion". It's easy to figure out what that means:.

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_confusion.

Was the first Google hit, out of 123,000 total..

You contributed a worthwhile point, ie, that the old 18-55 Canon lens is poor and that the newer IS one is better optically. My point was that in a lens this short, IS/VR is not an important factor...but the optical quality is..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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Go to a local reputable camera store and have them do what you want to do that way you will know exactly the the conditions you will be working under. No show no buy...

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It sounds like you probably won't be happy with a DSLR, either..

Every camera has it's own problems and limitations.even the Canon XTi..

I have an FZ50 and an Oly E-510 DSLR.each better than the other sometimes..

I use them both for different reasons..

They each have their place in my camera bag..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

Remember.always keep your receipt, the box, and everything that came in it!..

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An entry level canon with an 18-55IS will let you grow. Get a 50 1.8 to allow a lot of aperture flexibility. This will allow you to take pictures indoors without flash (bump the iso up), and it will allow you to have a shallow depth of field (say at f2 or 2.8) for a portrait. -Bruce..

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That's been my feeling too that a DSLR may also disappoint.Needs a good lens (not just a kit) and excellent noise handling.To avoid the "buy cheap - buy twice" curse, it really ought to be 40D or D80.IS is not so important when there is good high ISO capability..

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John farrar wrote:.

To avoid the "buy cheap - buy twice" curse, it really ought to be 40Dor D80.IS is not so important when there is good high ISO capability..

D80? The D60 with the new 18-55 VR seems to match the D80 specs plus adds some new features for $150 less and offers a smaller, more ergonomic package and easier novice-accessible interface. I must be missing something?.

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Brian..

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BLawson wrote:.

D80? The D60 with the new 18-55 VR seems to match the D80 specs plusadds some new features for $150 less and offers a smaller, moreergonomic package and easier novice-accessible interface. I must bemissing something?>>.

D80 has more enthusiast/pro features. Pentaprism (clearer and brighter than pentamirror), better lens compatibility etc. D60 extra features might appeal to novices, but D80 is capable in Auto modes..

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