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Are canon and nikon lens upward compatible?
Hello,.

I visited a camera store last night and handled four cameras. The XTi, D40x, 40D and the D80. I didn't realize this before, but the XTi and the D40x are tiny compared to the other two..

In any case, I was wondering which camera to get. If I get the XTi or the D40x, are the lens compatible with the 40D or the D80?.

I am wondering about this, in case I decide to upgrade from the XTi to the 40D or the D40x to the D80..

Any thoughts?need2focus..

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Sometimes yes. Sometimes, No..

In the specific case you asked, yes; each within it own family, of course..

However, rather often, new features are added to camera bodies that cannot be accessed by older lenses. This could happen in the future with as yet unkown models..

Also NO, in the case of Nikon, many lenses made for the rest of the line do not work completely on the D40 & D40X models. Specifically, auto focus will not activate.Van..

Comment #1

I will answer for Canon..

Canon have two current lines of lenses: EF and EF-S. There are also older FD lenses which won't work on current Canon models. The difference between the EF and EF-S models is that the EF-S lenses are designed for APS-C size sensor cameras (sometimes referred to as 1.6 crop factor sensors) only. The cheaper Canon cameras have APS-C sensors, the more expensive ones have larger sensors..

(See http://www.dpreview.com/...learn/?/Glossary/Camera_System/sensor_sizes_01.htm and http://www.dpreview.com/.../?/Glossary/Optical/Focal_Length_Multiplier_01.htm ).

EF lenses will work on all models irrespective of the sensor size..

The EF-S lenses only work on recent APS-C cameras, specifically the 400D/xti and the 40D of the current models. Of the older models, they will work on the 300D, 350D, 20D and 30D. They cannot physically be fitted to other Canon cameras with larger sensors such as the 5D, 1D and 1Ds and also older APS-C cameras such as the 10D..

EF-S lenses are all mid-range or wide angle zooms because it is here that the differences between the different sensor sizes most affect lenses. Telephoto and all prime lenses are EF and can be used on any Canon DSLR..

You can also buy third part lenses for Canon cameras, e.g. from Sigma or Tamron. Some of these will only work on APS-C cameras..

This makes lens buying for Canon cameras something of a dilemma if you think that eventually you might want to upgrade to a more expensive model with a larger sensor size. Should you get EF-S lenses now and sell them later, or buy EF lenses and live with the reduced wide angle?.

Nikon users didn't have this problem until very recently because, until the D3 was introduced last summer, all Nikon DSLRs had APS-C sized sensors.Chris R..

Comment #2

Chris R-UK wrote:.

Nikon users didn't have this problem until very recently because,until the D3 was introduced last summer, all Nikon DSLRs had APS-Csized sensors..

You are correct about Canon's EF-S lenses not working (actually, they won't even mount) on the FF sensored bodies or 35mm film bodies..

However, Nikon's DX (digital) lenses will mount and work on the D3, but not their film bodies..

When placing a DX lens on the D3, it will function as a 5.3MP camera as it crops on the sensor..

If Canon were smart (and we know they are), they will adopt this feature on their next round of high end FF DSLR bodies..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

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Comment #3

Need2focus wrote:.

To give you a less confusing answer than the first you received any lens that you buy with Nikon D40(x) will work on the D80, D200, D300 (or D3). The same is true for all Canon models except that EF-S lenses will not work on the top of the line full frame cameras and the 5D which is also full frame like those top of the line cameras..

Neither Canon or Nikon are likely to make any changes to their lens specs that would make those lenses redundant on a higher spec body. (Nikon's recent changes that narrow the choice of lenses that you can use on the D40(x) limits the choice to their most modern lenses (Nikon AF-S also Sigma HSM - there are a couple of others that will work but I will not clutter this reply).

If you want to be extremely cautious you can buy full frame only lenses for the XTI or D40x which would future proof you completely but the cost would be higher and the bulk and weight greater. I have two DX (crop) lenses and 3 full frame lenses for my Nikon D80. Similarly you could buy some EF lenses for a Canon body..

There is no real risk that either manufacturer will abandon the crop frame (Nikon calls it DX as opposed to FX) format..

Both mfrs moved to Autofocus lenses in the mid 80's. Canon moved to in-lens AF motors at around the same time (to howls of protest from their customers). Nikon AF-S lenses are taking the same route. They have their focusing motor in the lens. All new Nikon lens models since 2003 have been AF-S, Thus it can be said that Nikon tend to be more evolutionary and Canon revolutionary!.

Hope that helps..

Edit: Typed when only the first reply had been given..

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Comment #4

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:.

If Canon were smart (and we know they are), they will adopt thisfeature on their next round of high end FF DSLR bodies..

Canon was smart, which is why EF-S will not work on FF DSLR bodies..

Canon took advantage of the extra 4mm of backfocus that you get with the shorter mirror used on APS-C sensors. Even if you could modify an EF-S lens to mount on a FF camera, the FF mirror will swing into the rear element of the EF-S lens. At best you'll get only the upper 1/3 of the image recorded, at worst you'll break the mirror. Either way, not a good thing!.

Canon could get around this using a split mirror, similar to what Bronica did, where most of the mirror flips up and the forward bit swings down. But that's one more thing to go wrong, for marginal gain. Somehow I doubt they'll do it..

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Comment #5

Nickleback wrote:.

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:.

If Canon were smart (and we know they are), they will adopt thisfeature on their next round of high end FF DSLR bodies..

Canon was smart, which is why EF-S will not work on FF DSLR bodies..

Canon took advantage of the extra 4mm of backfocus that you get withthe shorter mirror used on APS-C sensors. Even if you could modifyan EF-S lens to mount on a FF camera, the FF mirror will swing intothe rear element of the EF-S lens. At best you'll get only the upper1/3 of the image recorded, at worst you'll break the mirror. Eitherway, not a good thing!.

Canon could get around this using a split mirror, similar to whatBronica did, where most of the mirror flips up and the forward bitswings down. But that's one more thing to go wrong, for marginalgain. Somehow I doubt they'll do it..

Then this gives Nikon one advantage over Canon in the FF world, then..

However.it's really not that big of a deal since the FF sensor is not, and probably will not, be mainstream and will be a niche for higher end photogs and for people with deep pockets..

I'm not a Canon or Nikon fanboy, either.I own neither in the digital world of cameras..

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Comment #6

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:.

Then this gives Nikon one advantage over Canon in the FF world, then...

However.it's really not that big of a deal since the FF sensoris not, and probably will not, be mainstream and will be a niche forhigher end photogs and for people with deep pockets..

You forgot the flip side. It also gives Canon one advantage over Nikon in the APS-C world..

I'm not a Canon or Nikon fanboy, either.I own neither in thedigital world of cameras..

Not a fanboy, and I own cameras from both..

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Comment #7

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:[snip].

However.it's really not that big of a deal since the FF sensoris not, and probably will not, be mainstream and will be a niche forhigher end photogs and for people with deep pockets..

Not sure about that. A combination of higher volumes and better sensor production yields could bring prices tumbling down..

Nikon now has a FF camera and Sony is due to release one soon. If Canon launches a cut price version of the 5D (as is being rumoured on the Canon forums) things could change significantly..

I am certainly not going to invest any more money than is absolutely necessary in APS-C lenses.Chris R..

Comment #8

Chris R-UK wrote:.

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:[snip].

However.it's really not that big of a deal since the FF sensoris not, and probably will not, be mainstream and will be a niche forhigher end photogs and for people with deep pockets..

Not sure about that. A combination of higher volumes and bettersensor production yields could bring prices tumbling down..

Both seem terribly unlikely..

I am certainly not going to invest any more money than is absolutelynecessary in APS-C lenses..

Lenses aren't an investment, they are a purchase..

Seen in a fortune cookie:Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed..

Comment #9

I am not saying that I expect FF to become the norm for all DSLRs, just that I expect the price difference between FF and APS-C cameras to reduce significantly (it already has with current Canon 5D prices) to the point that current users of mid-range cameras start to go for FF..

Of course, if we get the same kind of megapixel race in DSLRs as we have had in the last 2-3 years in compact cameras, things might accelerate.Chris R..

Comment #10

Chris R-UK wrote:.

I am not saying that I expect FF to become the norm for all DSLRs,just that I expect the price difference between FF and APS-C camerasto reduce significantly (it already has with current Canon 5D prices)to the point that current users of mid-range cameras start to go forFF..

In DSLR terms, the 5D is ancient. It's 2.5 years old. Expect the 5D replacement to bump the price up over $2500..

Of course, if we get the same kind of megapixel race in DSLRs as wehave had in the last 2-3 years in compact cameras, things mightaccelerate..

The megapixel race still exists. There's plenty of room for more megapixels in APS-C DSLRs..

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Comment #11

Nickleback wrote:[snip].

In DSLR terms, the 5D is ancient. It's 2.5 years old. Expect the 5Dreplacement to bump the price up over $2500..

Maybe, maybe not - most replacement cameras are cheaper than the launch price of the previous model. There have been rumours on the 5D forum that Canon will introduce two replacement cameras, a 3D and a 7D, at different price points. Canon certainly has to do something to compete with the new Nikon models..

It doesn't now look like there will be any 5D replacement for PMA so we will have to wait and see.Chris R..

Comment #12

Chris R-UK wrote:.

Nickleback wrote:[snip].

In DSLR terms, the 5D is ancient. It's 2.5 years old. Expect the 5Dreplacement to bump the price up over $2500..

Maybe, maybe not - most replacement cameras are cheaper than thelaunch price of the previous model..

The 5D launched at $3300..

Http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05082209canoneos5d.asp.

There have been rumours on the5D forum that Canon will introduce two replacement cameras, a 3D anda 7D, at different price points..

I'd be interested in a 3D, assuming it is akin to the EOS 3 film camera (i.e. same features as 1 series in cheaper, smaller package). It's what the 5D should have been..

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Comment #13

Chris R-UK wrote:.

There have been rumours on the5D forum that Canon will introduce two replacement cameras, a 3D anda 7D, at different price points. Canon certainly has to do somethingto compete with the new Nikon models..

But we all know about rumors..

They are just speculation on what people would like (and not based on anything leaked from the camera makers), but doesn't mean that is what they will get..

I wouldn't look for a 3D.too close to the 40D that it might kill 40D sales..

However, a new 3D and nix a 5D replacement.that would give Nikon something to think about!.

But I doubt we'll see that happen..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

Remember.always keep the box and everything that came in it!..

Comment #14

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:.

I wouldn't look for a 3D.too close to the 40D that it mightkill 40D sales..

Not if the 3D is 3x the price of the 40D..

But I doubt we'll see that happen..

3D + 7D seems logical to me. 7D would be a minor refresh of the 5D at $2500, 3D would add 1D AF and frame rate at $4500. No rumor, just wishful thinkning..

Neither one would put much of a dent in 40D sales. If anything the 450D will take care of that!.

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Comment #15

Nickleback wrote:.

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:.

I wouldn't look for a 3D.too close to the 40D that it mightkill 40D sales..

Not if the 3D is 3x the price of the 40D..

But I doubt we'll see that happen..

3D + 7D seems logical to me. 7D would be a minor refresh of the 5Dat $2500, 3D would add 1D AF and frame rate at $4500. No rumor, justwishful thinkning..

Neither one would put much of a dent in 40D sales. If anything the450D will take care of that!.

I would think a 3D would be a downgrade of the 5D, and a 7D an upgrade, which would make the 7D more expensive than a 3D..

But I just don't see Canon adding two new 35mm sensored DSLR's to their lineup..

One maybe.not two new bodies..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

Remember.always keep the box and everything that came in it!..

Comment #16

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:.

I would think a 3D would be a downgrade of the 5D, and a 7D anupgrade, which would make the 7D more expensive than a 3D..

Historically it's been the reverse, for top-of-the-line non-pro Canon cameras. Canon went from the EOS 10, to the EOS 5, then the EOS 3. Each was an upgrade from it's predecessor..

I want an EOS 3, but digital. I don't care if it's called a 3D or a 7D, or even a 123D..

Http://www.canon.com/...00/1998_eos-3.html?lang=eu&categ=srs&page=eos.

But I just don't see Canon adding two new 35mm sensored DSLR's totheir lineup..

One maybe.not two new bodies..

The 5D is out of date, it needs to be replaced. Doing two could be a good strategy. The lower end one could just be a refreshed 5D (add live view, up the fps a bit), and will pick up the current 5D market. The higher end one could give the D3 a run for it's money..

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Comment #17

Agree, but will we see them in PMA or August?.

Nickleback wrote:.

But I just don't see Canon adding two new 35mm sensored DSLR's totheir lineup..

One maybe.not two new bodies..

The 5D is out of date, it needs to be replaced. Doing two could be agood strategy. The lower end one could just be a refreshed 5D (addlive view, up the fps a bit), and will pick up the current 5D market.The higher end one could give the D3 a run for it's money..

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Comment #18

Commangor wrote:.

Agree, but will we see them in PMA or August?.

I'm guessing August..

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Comment #19

Nickleback wrote:.

Chris R-UK wrote:.

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:[snip].

However.it's really not that big of a deal since the FF sensoris not, and probably will not, be mainstream and will be a niche forhigher end photogs and for people with deep pockets..

Not sure about that. A combination of higher volumes and bettersensor production yields could bring prices tumbling down..

Both seem terribly unlikely..

Doesn't seem quite so unlikely now:http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08013001sony35mmcmossensor.asp.

I am certainly not going to invest any more money than is absolutelynecessary in APS-C lenses..

Lenses aren't an investment, they are a purchase..

Seen in a fortune cookie:Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.

Chris R..

Comment #20

We've known this has been coming from Sony for a year now..

Still doesn't mean that FF is going to be mainstream..

But will probably always be kept for higher end cameras..

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

Remember.always keep your receipt, the box, and everything that came in it!..

Comment #21

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:.

We've known this has been coming from Sony for a year now..

Still doesn't mean that FF is going to be mainstream..

But will probably always be kept for higher end cameras..

Unless Canon feels that it has to invade the mid-range market with FF to get back ahead of Nikon, or Sony decides to go for an increased market share by using FF..

I suppose that it all depends on what happens to FF sensor production costs.Chris R..

Comment #22

Chris R-UK wrote:.

Nickleback wrote:.

Chris R-UK wrote:.

Not sure about that. A combination of higher volumes and bettersensor production yields could bring prices tumbling down..

Both seem terribly unlikely..

Doesn't seem quite so unlikely now:http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08013001sony35mmcmossensor.asp.

There is no mention of price in the news item..

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Comment #23

Chris R-UK wrote:.

MusicDoctorDJ wrote:.

We've known this has been coming from Sony for a year now..

Still doesn't mean that FF is going to be mainstream..

But will probably always be kept for higher end cameras..

Unless Canon feels that it has to invade the mid-range market with FFto get back ahead of Nikon, or Sony decides to go for an increasedmarket share by using FF..

I suppose that it all depends on what happens to FF sensor productioncosts..

If the costs don't support it, those moves would be suicide..

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