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although not a complete novice some advice on new camera please fz50 350-400d
I have owned several s series cameras up to the s80 which I have used for many years mostly point and shoot. I take a lot of trophy pics of fish for my fly fishing web site and some entomology(bugs and flies) macro shots..

I am looking at a new camera it must be suited to take pics of the kids as well age 20-months and 4 so shutter lag has been a slight problem for me especially in low light indoors..

May be I am after something that doesn't exist as yet outside slr. My m8 took some pretty good shots last week on his fuji 9600. So I started to look at camers in the same league eg fz50 image stabilization a big plus over a 350 or 400d canon. The lense should allow some good macro work with the advantage of a manual focus ring on the lense..

My main disadvantage was control of my s80 in it's underwater case. so the compromise this time will be a waterproof bag.anyway please check out my front page and here is a link.

This will give you a general idea of the typical shots I use you some creative work is need in this department as well.

Http://www.graylinghunter.co.uk.

Below these shots taken by my m8s fuji 9600.

Http://graylinghuntertalk52985.yuku.com/topic/745.

Also these shots for entomology macro workan example of a mayfly belowhttp://www.dryflyfisher.fishermen.co.uk/mayfly_full.htmany ideas welcomethanks for your thoughts phil..

Comments (17)

Gangstar wrote:[snip].

Mym8 took some pretty good shots last week on his fuji 9600..

Note that on these forums an M8 is a very expensive Leica camera so the sentence above is somewhat confusing!.

You may find that you need more than one camera to meet your requirements. The Panasonic probably won't be any good for photographing children in low light - for that you really need something like a 400D with a 50mm f1.8 lens. Image stabilisation is no help for this kind of photography..

On the other hand waterproof housings for DSLRs are very expensive.Chris R..

Comment #1

Point for the slr.what type of lense would be good to match my out door needs?just to give me an ideathanksPhil..

Comment #2

From what i've heard the 50mm 1.8 on a 400D is a very cheap and cheerful combination, it used to be the case that you can't go wrong with a 50mm lens, canon have apparently changed that. A Pentax K100D + 50mm might be a better choice from build quality point of view and considering the presence of shake reduction but then there's the question of whether to go for a new AF lens or second hand and learn to do MF..

I'm not sure that a DSLR is what you need though..

Maybe you should look into one of the Olympus or Pentax under water cameras, they're not going to produce incredible results but are at least fairly inexpensive next to a DSLR underwater enclosure...

Comment #3

Pentaxiantrooper wrote:.

From what i've heard the 50mm 1.8 on a 400D is a very cheap andcheerful combination, it used to be the case that you can't go wrongwith a 50mm lens, canon have apparently changed that..

This is a load of garbage. The Canon 50mm f1.8 lens, like the Nikon equivalent, is an extremely good lens. I know, I have one..

If you have any evidence to the contrary, please produce it.Chris R..

Comment #4

Gangstar wrote:.

Point for the slr.what type of lense would be good to match my out door needs?just to give me an ideathanksPhil.

There are a lot of choices. In increasing order of cost: the Canon 17-55 kit lens and it's IS version, the Tamron or Sigma 18-50 f2.8, the Canon 17-85 IS, the Canon 17-55 IS f2.8..

These are all general purpose medium zooms. You will need an additional lens for macros. Of course, there are equivalent cameras/lenses available from Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, Panasonic, etc..

I am not sure that I would want to carry an SLR into a river, though, so one of the waterproof compacts mentioned by another poster might be worth considering.Chris R..

Comment #5

Chris R-UK wrote:.

Pentaxiantrooper wrote:.

From what i've heard the 50mm 1.8 on a 400D is a very cheap andcheerful combination, it used to be the case that you can't go wrongwith a 50mm lens, canon have apparently changed that..

This is a load of garbage. The Canon 50mm f1.8 lens, like the Nikonequivalent, is an extremely good lens. I know, I have one..

If you have any evidence to the contrary, please produce it..

Ok then..

This lens is an EF 50mm f/1.8 II.Features.

* Diagonal Angle of View: 46* Lens Construction (elements/groups): 6/5* No. of Diaphragm blades: 5* Minimum Aperture: 22* Closest Focusing Distance (m): 0.45* Maximum Magnification (x): 0.15* AF Actuator: MM* Filter Diameter (mm): 52.

Build quality aside this lens has a five bladed aperture, the Pentax 1.7 has 6 blades and the Nikon 7 of them this may seem unimportant but is actually an important consideration I often wish the Pentax 1.7 had 8 like the 1.4 for better OOF highlights when stopped down...

Comment #6

OK, the Canon 50mm f1.8 is cheap ($75), slow focussing, noisy (no OSM), cheaply built and has relatively poor bokeh. But it is extremely sharp which is why it has such a high reputation. Read the user reviews on Fred Miranda:.

Http://www.fredmiranda.com/....php?product=30&sort=7&cat=2&page=1.

It is a "no brainer" lens for any Canon DSLR user who wants to take indoor non-flash photos and cannot afford the 50mm f1.4.Chris R..

Comment #7

Aren't those enough reasons to not bother and go for the 1.4 instead or another manufacturer's offerings? Canon's strongest point is the size of their lens catalogue but if you can't even afford the 50mm 1.8 then that's of no interest anyway since their budget stuff sucks badly. You could even get an adapter and a manual 50mm from just about any other manuf and the new canon entry levels even have half usable viewfinders now so it wouldn't be too bad..

It's a 50mm lens so going on about how sharp it is is pointless since most 50mm lenses are plenty sharp enough..

I like the Pentax fast 50s, I haven't tried the AF versions yet but M series lenses suit my needs on an *istDS and are cheap and great for manual focus, A series lenses offer additional automation and remove the need to use the stop down/meter button...

Comment #8

Thanks for quick response.

I have done a little price checking and I can get a brand new 350d for 200uk which is 150 cheaper than the 400d just in case I do have a dunk with the camera..

The cheap 50mm f1.8 lense advice for taking pics of the kids should suffice and although I am not minted I could just about sleep if I took a swim with the fishes after all some of the fly rods I use are 500 and get broke some times in most cases I can repair them myself I don't know about the camera though.

As you also point out a lot of good zooms that for my needs should suffice I will check out the pentax k100d prices in full I understand like the 400d will be replaced at the the end of the month. The 350d is still 150 cheaper than the pentax though from my first search results..

Also The largest print I will produce will be a4 as a rule I might venture into the odd A3. I have access to adobe photoshop so I can work my images post shoot with some ease.Phil..

Comment #9

Gangstar wrote:.

Thanks for quick responseI have done a little price checking and I can get a brand new 350dfor 200uk which is 150 cheaper than the 400d just in case I do havea dunk with the camera..

That is cheap, I haven't seen many 350Ds around I think they're out of production so I suppose theyre clearing old stock where did you see that deal and does it come with a lens? I don't think i've ever heard of a 350D user who was happy with the build quality, if it's a camera that you will be taking out to the river and knocking about that could be a problem of course if you just plan on throwing away and buying a replacement if something goes wrong that isn't an issue and cheap works in your favour..

The problem with a 350D is that it will come with one of the worst kit lenses _ever_ produced apparently the new IS kit lens is actually quite good but I dont know where you could get it..

The cheap 50mm f1.8 lense advice for taking pics of the kids shouldsuffice and although I am not minted I could just about sleep if Itook a swim with the fishes after all some of the fly rods I use are500 and get broke some times in most cases I can repair them myselfI don't know about the camera thoughas you also point out a lot of good zooms that for my needs shouldsuffice I will check out the pentax k100d prices in full I understandlike the 400d will be replaced at the the end of the month. The 350dis still 150 cheaper than the pentax though from my first searchresults..

I think the pentax may be replaced towards the end of the month too so prices may drop further it's a shame you didn't ask before christmas as the K100D, not super, with kit lens was going for about 200 or 250 from currys...

Comment #10

I also purchased a 790sw I have only played with it this afternoon indoors and it's not a patch on the s80 build or picture quality. I used it more point and shoot than anything but the first pictures I took with the 790 sw today dont stack up to s80 which is two years old and was about 350 new. although You cant throw the canon s80 into the river for the dog to bring back to you! I will see what images it produces outside but my gut feeling says it's not going to be as good as the s80 but who knows. lets just hope the rain stays off for a couple of hours so I can play for a whilealso link to the shop I purchased my 350d from.

Http://stores.ebay.co.uk/D-n-D-Decals..

Comment #11

Gangstar wrote:.

Also link to the shop I purchased my 350d from.

Http://stores.ebay.co.uk/D-n-D-Decals.

You don't look at feedback then? Good luck with getting that 350D, many have tried!.

Positive feedback rating.

Refund given after item not in stock for a number of weeks.

1215hill ( 76 [Feedback score is 50 to 99] )12-Jan-08 15:23.

Canon EOS 350D 18-55 8MP Digital SLR Kit - BRAND NEW!! (#360007884959) 199.00 View Item.

Positive feedback rating.

Good ebayer, full refund.

Aydux ( 13 [Feedback score is 10 to 49] )11-Jan-08 23:37.

Canon EOS 350D 18-55 8MP Digital SLR Kit - BRAND NEW!! (#360006449060) 199.00 View Item.

Positive feedback rating.

Couldn't finalize transaction, nice seller, Thanks for everything anyway.

Juyle ( 62 [Feedback score is 50 to 99] )11-Jan-08 19:35.

Canon EOS 350D 18-55 8MP Digital SLR Kit - BRAND NEW!! (#360007345601) 199.00 View Item.

Positive feedback rating.

Camera from 3rd party, unable to deliver in time Good comms and fast refund..

Stephenl655 ( 127 [Feedback score is 100 to 499] )11-Jan-08 17:00.

Canon EOS 350D 18-55 8MP Digital SLR Kit - BRAND NEW!! (#360007884959) 199.00 View Item.

Positive feedback rating.

Sale didn'tcomplete due to no stock but refund was forthcoming..

Strinesmoorsell ( 189 [Feedback score is 100 to 499] )11-Jan-08 13:52.

Canon EOS 350D 18-55 8MP Digital SLR Kit - BRAND NEW!! (#360007884959) 199.00 View Item.

Positive feedback rating.

Could not deliver camera on time but honest ebayer and instant refund!.

Aftabsaeed ( 0 )10-Jan-08 08:42.

Canon EOS 350D 18-55 8MP Digital SLR Kit - BRAND NEW!! (#360007345601) 199.00 View Item.

Neutral feedback rating.

Cameras from 3rd party supplier, unable to deliver. money refunded when asked..

Loskeran ( 555 [Feedback score is 500 to 999] )09-Jan-08 23:58.

Canon EOS 350D 18-55 8MP Digital SLR Kit - BRAND NEW!! (#360007345601) 199.00 View Item.

Well, you get the idea...

Comment #12

I will let you know how I get on some have got them.you pays your money you takes your chance...

Comment #13

Who got one? I can't see a single piece of conclusive feedback suggesting that they're ever had the camera in stock, it looks like they're just trying to generate feedback and draw attention to some e-book they've got listed, even that they don't seem to succeed in delivering all the time.....

Comment #14

Its the feedback of over 700 says they must be doing something right anyway I will worry about the milk in 7 days when it doesn't turn up. it caries paypal protection 99% fedback they must be doing something right..

I purchased a washing machine off curries had loads of hassle major brand major high street retailer as I say you pays your money you takes your chance..

I have just got to source a good 50mm f1.8 to go with it. then a good zoom but that can wait..

Comment #15

Pentaxiantrooper wrote:.

I like the Pentax fast 50s, I haven't tried the AF versions yet but Mseries lenses suit my needs on an *istDS and are cheap and great formanual focus, A series lenses offer additional automation and removethe need to use the stop down/meter button..

You are using lenses which don't autofocus and can only do stop-down metering, and you're criticising the 60 EF 50/1.8 (which if I understand correctly you have never used) for the shape of it's out-of-focus highlights??? Give me a break...

Comment #16

Well that's the thing they don't really sell anything tangible just the e-books and non-existent cameras, even with 741 positive feedback it's worrying that they've received 14 Neutrals and 13 Negatives in the last 12 months alone. It's interesting that they got so many positives from people who waited and then got a refund on the 350D, i'd have expected more neutrals if anything. If I were selling cameras and knew I didn't have any in stock I wouldn't leave the listings up with multiple stock indicated, it worries me that they've got something strange going on, they're obviously happy to take the money and hand it back again as long as they get the feedback and maybe people would buy the ebook to go with the camera. I hope he's left positive feedback for you already so he can't strongarm you into giving him some back if a refund does happen..

Fingers crossed you do get your camera, at least you don't need it within a certain timeframe, those people who bought one for christmas must have been very disappointed..

Http://toolhaus.org/...ital&as_Seller=Seller&Check=Check&ref=home..

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