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Been reading this forum carefully, since I'm at the point my P&S is going to be replaced (or at least will get a companion). Want more MP and better IQ in low light. Been reading and asking questions everywhere on this subject..

Came to the conclusion that a new P&S isn't going to help me. Most people say I have one of the better P&S ever made and every step I take will probably not satisfy me in P&S/Bridge world..

Now on the verge of clicking the accept-button on my first DSLR. Since I'm on a tight budget, I have to settle for the kitlenses for now. Everybody tells me Nikon has the best kitlenses. That combined with the fact the D60 fits perfectly in my hand, it's one of the smaller and it's darn cheap, will probably make an end to lots of reading on what to do. Will probably buy it with the 17-55 VR and 55-200 lenses..

Still, if anyone thinks I'm making a mistake going for the Nikon, please let me know. My other options were the Sony Alpha's (200 or 300) and the Canon 400/450. They are all more expensive, except for the A200, but I've heared bad things about their kitlenses. Also high-ISO performance and heavy noisereduction are said to be bad on the A200..

Please share your thoughts..

Erwin_________________________________________________The world can be beautiful if you know how to use the right equipment..

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Only you can know if you're making a mistake going for the Nikon. Folks that say Sony's are the best will say you are etc etc. I'm certain any DSLR from a particular price band would be more than great for the vast majority of consumers. You really are splitting hairs with faults and strengths. Try them all in the shops, if you can. What do you need it to do well and what can you get away with compromising on? Does one focus quicker than another? Not a problem either way for landscape use, more so for children on the move pictures.



Cheers..

Comment #1

If you want the best kit lenses around it seems a comparison between olympus and pentax at this point. the rest are bringing up the rear in that regard..

Be sure to check out the pentax and the olympus as well as they are worth considering. bottom line is there is no wrong answer but as noted for kit lenses it seems accepted what I noted above...

Comment #2

D40 with 18-55 kitlens.

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Comment #3

Yep, that helped me decide. Wonderfull picture. Very sharp, very lovely colours. Great stuff....

Thanks,Erwin_________________________________________________The world can be beautiful if you know how to use the right equipment..

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Comment #4

Oh and how bout the dust protection or Image Stabilization or Live View in the Nikons. Or the price?? Just some thoughts..

Jim.

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In reality, you could get tjhose shots with any of the cameras in that price range. I bought the Alpha because I previously had Minolta and the lenses fit. I read all the reviews about noise and softness with the Sony. If you look closely at the shots they show, it is almost impossible to tell any difference. As far as the softness, that is a Sony default and you can increase the shapness in the menu when you set it up. Sony makes the sensors for Nikon and the Nikon D60 uses the same sensor as the A200/300 so why would there be any difference in quality.

If it were not for good high ISO and image stabilization, they were shots I just would not have gotten..

Olympus has a lot of the same features as the Sony and would be an excellent choice also..

No matter what you buy, the kit lenses are not going to be as good as good as the expensive lenses you can buy for them. Most of the loss of sharpness is at the extreme edges of the kit lenses, and the middles are pretty good. I saw one review of the Sony A200 fitted with a Carl Zeiss lens that just had extrordinaly resolution edge to edge. If you spend enough on lenses, you can get great results with any of these cameras...

Comment #6

I had some doubts between the Alpha's and the Nikon, because I've been shooting with Sony's since my first digital camera. Liveview is certainly something I might miss in the long run. On the downside, the Sony is a lot bigger (and more expensive here) than the D60..

Was planning on visiting the shop tomorrow, to do my final purchase, but will first look into that. Olympus is not an option, since I don;t like the feel of both the 410 and the 520, and have bad past experiences with Olympus. Canon is not an option, lathough slightly smaller than the Alpha, I believe..

Thanks all, so far.....

Erwin_________________________________________________The world can be beautiful if you know how to use the right equipment..

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Comment #7

Well, these are lovely too. But I must say the first one does look very soft. I'm not going to base my decision on a few pictures though, was just joking around after the D40 drop..

I will keep you posted....

Greetings,Erwin_________________________________________________The world can be beautiful if you know how to use the right equipment..

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Comment #8

Erwin, You can't go wrong with the D40 or D60. I bought the D60 with the 2 vr lens kit and love it. Takes great pictures and easy to use. JerryNikon D60 18-55vr & 55-200vrSB400Casio Z750..

Comment #9

I'm a big fan of Oly and of Pentax. I love my C7070, it is a very well built and great P&S. But the 4/3rds system of Oly's DSLRs has more limitations than benefits as far as I'm concerned. The crop factor might be a benefit on the telephoto end, getting the most reach for the money out of lenses. But they simply don't match the latest APS sized sensors in high ISO noise performance. I do enough low light shooting that I value the better noise performance.



As for Pentax, I've come close a couple of times to buying into a budget Pentax because I think they have a good product, but I'm already invested in Nikon lenses and it does not make good sense for me to be into two systems. I'm not convinced that Pentax is going to stay in the DSLR business, and while I'm certainly not an authority on the subject, I've read enough on these forums to give me some concern about Pentax that I don't have with Nikon, Canon and Sony. I'd feel more secure about future upgrades with any of the higher volume manufacturers. There are plenty of Pentax lenses around, but DSLR bodies are not likely to be the kind of thing you can use for 20 years. You'll have to replace the body at some point. If you have a lens collection built up and Pentax has gotten out of the biz, then you will take a beating in having to buy into a new system.Good shooting,.

GRNorth Carolina..

Comment #10

In your case, sticking with Nikon because of your lenses is the smart move. There is no guarantee that any of these companies will be in business 10-20 years from now...

Comment #11

I understand your concerns regarding Pentax and Olympus, and fully agree on this, although some won't have problems with them..

Currently hesitating between the Nikon D60 and the Alpha300. The Nikon cause it's smaller, the kitlenses appear to be better and it feels better in my hands, the Sony because of Liveview and the in-camera stabilizer and zoommotor..

Nikon is a bit cheaper also..

Greetings,Erwin_________________________________________________The world can be beautiful if you know how to use the right equipment..

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Comment #12

AlphaDSLR wrote:.

.......... As far as thesoftness, that is a Sony default and you can increase the shapness inthe menu when you set it up. Sony makes the sensors for Nikon andthe Nikon D60 uses the same sensor as the A200/300 so why would therebe any difference in quality..

With each model where there has been common use of Sony sensors Nikon have always got better IQ out of that same sensor. There are several explanations for this:.

A) the cams may have different anti-aliasing filters.

B) the cams always have different algorithms and firmware. Nikon are very good at getting the best out of a given sensor. The D60 in particular has impressive high ISO output and class leading dynamic range..

...No matter what you buy, the kit lenses are not going to be as good asgood as the expensive lenses you can buy for them. Most of the lossof sharpness is at the extreme edges of the kit lenses, and themiddles are pretty good. I saw one review of the Sony A200 fittedwith a Carl Zeiss lens that just had extrordinaly resolution edge toedge. If you spend enough on lenses, you can get great results withany of these cameras..

True but as the OP has noted not all kit lenses are equal and the Sony 18-70 is particularly poor and he is not in the market for an expensive lens but would have to buy one to get equal performance from the Sony..

To the OP.

Ask yourself what you are going to do with LiveView. The Sony system seems better implemented than others but the price paid seems to be a really weak optical VF and surely the whole point of an SLR is that you are viewing *optically* through the lens..

I am not a fan of LiveView. I had it 5 years ago on my Oly E20 and never found it useful. It has potential a) with macro work b) to give true DOF where that is critical c) for overhead and low down use but all the systems are clunky at the moment and none save for the D300 has the screen resolution to really make it work. A big minus in my book is that holding the cam at arms's length is not a stable position for photography and thus you will not get the full benefit of IS because you will get camera shake much earlier than when the cam is held to the eye and the elbows are tucked in. I reckon you will effectively lose about a stop of shutter speed holding at arm's length..

Chris Elliott.

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Comment #13

Chris Elliott wrote:.

AlphaDSLR wrote:.

.......... As far as thesoftness, that is a Sony default and you can increase the shapness inthe menu when you set it up. Sony makes the sensors for Nikon andthe Nikon D60 uses the same sensor as the A200/300 so why would therebe any difference in quality..

With each model where there has been common use of Sony sensors Nikonhave always got better IQ out of that same sensor. There are severalexplanations for this:.

A) the cams may have different anti-aliasing filtersb) the cams always have different algorithms and firmware. Nikon arevery good at getting the best out of a given sensor. The D60 inparticular has impressive high ISO output and class leading dynamicrange..

For what I have seen, I fully agree on that....

...No matter what you buy, the kit lenses are not going to be as good asgood as the expensive lenses you can buy for them. Most of the lossof sharpness is at the extreme edges of the kit lenses, and themiddles are pretty good. I saw one review of the Sony A200 fittedwith a Carl Zeiss lens that just had extrordinaly resolution edge toedge. If you spend enough on lenses, you can get great results withany of these cameras..

True but as the OP has noted not all kit lenses are equal and theSony 18-70 is particularly poor and he is not in the market for anexpensive lens but would have to buy one to get equal performancefrom the Sony..

I might get a good deal buying just the A300 body and a 18-250 lens. Going to look into that this afternoon..

To the OP.

Ask yourself what you are going to do with LiveView. The Sony systemseems better implemented than others but the price paid seems to be areally weak optical VF and surely the whole point of an SLR is thatyou are viewing *optically* through the lens..

I am not a fan of LiveView. I had it 5 years ago on my Oly E20 andnever found it useful. It has potential a) with macro work b) to givetrue DOF where that is critical c) for overhead and low down use butall the systems are clunky at the moment and none save for the D300has the screen resolution to really make it work. A big minus in mybook is that holding the cam at arms's length is not a stableposition for photography and thus you will not get the full benefitof IS because you will get camera shake much earlier than when thecam is held to the eye and the elbows are tucked in. I reckon youwill effectively lose about a stop of shutter speed holding at arm'slength..

Do lots of Macro with my H2 +3358 close-up. I get terrific results out of that (in my opinion, as a beginner), so untill I have money for buying extra DSLR-equipment for Macro on my 'new-to-buy'-camera, I will stick to the H2 if I want to go out for just macro's. If I have my D60, I think I can take nice pictures of bugs with the kitlens, but probably not as good as with my H2..

Thanks for your help.Erwin.

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Comment #14

And it turned out to be the A300 from Sony. Enjoying Macro the way I do, I fugered the Liveview would in the end be a good choice. Also visited a very good camshop here in the city, they told me the differences between the sony and nikon kitlenses aren;t all that big. He said:" as soon as you can see the difference in them on a reasonably sized print, you have such good eyes you don;t want to shoot with a kitlens anyway, no matter the brand.".

In body stabilizer was also a reason to go for the A300. It is slightly bigger, but when carrying it around, the bag it's in will be the same size, so not much difference there..

Thanks all for helping, will post some pictures on the Sony-forum as soon as the battery is charged!.

Erwin_________________________________________________The world can be beautiful if you know how to use the right equipment..

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Comment #15

In all honesty, I would buy a Olympus E-510 with the Kit lens, or, if you can stretch your budget, the dual lens kit. It's simply an outstanding camera with probably the best Kit lenses around..

Sony DSC-H50 P&SOlympus E-510 w/ dual kit lenses (28-84mm/80-300mm equiv. 35mm)Canon XTi 400D w/ dual lenses (28-88mm/120-480mm equiv. 35mm)..

Comment #16

Enjoy your new camera..

As per kit lens you are already accustomed with a lot of purple fringing from Sony H2 so this would not be such a shock. The Sony kit lens is not that great but it's OK.VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/..

Comment #17

To late now.... Already a happy man._________________________________________________The world can be beautiful if you know how to use the right equipment..

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Comment #18

Cool! Enjoy your camera and don't let this forum and some posts disturb your enjoyment because every cam has flaws and some people just need to nitpick on them. Just enjoy the pics you can make!!!!Sony DSC-H50 P&SOlympus E-510 w/ dual kit lenses (28-84mm/80-300mm equiv. 35mm)Canon XTi 400D w/ dual lenses (28-88mm/120-480mm equiv. 35mm)..

Comment #19

Thank you, already enjoying it big time, can't wait to go out into the real world and do some testing. Just doing some backyard-shots. Looking promising....

Greetings,Erwin_________________________________________________The world can be beautiful if you know how to use the right equipment..

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