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About to chicken out - driving my family crazy!!!
Ok...after lots of postings and hours spent in a camera shop, now I am so unsure of myself I am ready to return the Canon 40D I received for Christmas and just wait awhile before I buy anything!!!.

I don't like the size or feel of the Canon 40D...I did like the XTi and the Nikon D40x...but then I learn that the XTi and the D40x don't have the shutter speed I need for my son's competitive soccer tournaments (18 year olds...) I only have two more days that I can return the 40D (it's still in the box)..

Do I have any other options? Everything I've checked out has 3 or so fps...if I go back to upper level P/S it's even slower!.

Any suggestions?..

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I don't like the size or feel of the Canon 40D...I did like the XTiand the Nikon D40x...but then I learn that the XTi and the D40x don'thave the shutter speed I need for my son's competitive soccertournaments (18 year olds...) I only have two more days that I canreturn the 40D (it's still in the box)..

I am not sure what you mean by they do not have the shutter speed, all of the camera's listed are well capable of handling soccer at any level. They may not have the frames per second some people desire but thats its.As for the feel of the unit that is a user preference.

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Comment #1

At 1/2000 sec I can see the knobs on the wheels of competitive radio controlled cars, which are moving at 30 MPH while the wheels are spinning at 10,000 RPM..

The 40D goes up to 1/8000 sec. Exactly how fast a shutter do you think you need?..

Comment #2

Since I'm a "Newbie" I don't know the words to explain my previous posting, but the 40D has a shutter speed of 1/8000 with @ 6.5fps...the XTi and D40x were 1/4000 speed with @3 fps..

It was also explained that when I add the zoom, the zoom would slow down the camera speed......

Comment #3

Since I'm a "Newbie" I don't know the words to explain my previousposting, but the 40D has a shutter speed of 1/8000 with @6.5fps...the XTi and D40x were 1/4000 speed with @3 fps..

It was also explained that when I add the zoom, the zoom would slowdown the camera speed.....

1/8000 and 1/4000 are more than adquate to use for soccer, actually you can be down as low as 1/500 and get great shots. The more frames per second is always better in sports..

As for the lens slowing the camera down you I think your understanding of shutter speed and lens speed are getting crossed up..

You first have to understand 3 main components of photography. Shutter speed (TV), aperature (AV), ISO (ISO) and how they correlate to each other. These 3 things are measured in stops. You can manipulate your AV and ISO settings in the camera to increase your shutter speed to help stop the action in sports. Basically when shooting sports you want a high shutter speed (TV), at least 1/500th without some experience..

Depending on the lens that you use you can increase your shutter more with a lens with a smaller maximum aperture number. The lower the number on a lens like f2.8 or f3.5 the "faster" the lens is. Not to confuse you more but that does not neccesarily correlate to focus speed of the lens but to keep it simple faster lenses (lower f numbers, tend to focus faster, but not always).

Do some searches on dslr settings on google and read up on the info I just gave you, I am just scratching the surface. Then come back with more questions..

The lens is not going to slow down the camera although some lens focus faster than others. On a sunny day almost any reasonable lens will allow you to get the settings you need in all of those cameras you listed, it is whne you move into lower light areas that you will want a better (lower av) lens.

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Comment #4

Just a wild guess, but I think OP is talking about frame rate when he said "shutter speed". Maybe 3 fps (at best) is not fast enough for what he wants..

My advice, and I am a complete noob at this, is return the camera. You don't lose any money and you take pressure off yourself. Then figure out what you really need and/or want and then buy it...

Comment #5

FPS is going to be far, far less important than.

- consistent latency to getting the FIRST frame, incl. especially...- autofocus speed- awareness of the action, and enough experience to anticipate with good results.

And, for situations involving poor lighting, such as if these are indoor (or, worse, evening!) games, having a lens with a fast aperture and a camera body with good performance at extremely high ISO values..

It doesn't really matter if you're getting 5FPS if the camera can't achieve and maintain focus, lift the mirror and open the shutter before the ball's sailing out of the frame..

It doesn't really matter, either, if the camera supports 1/8000s shutter speeds if you don't have the light and the lenses to get anything but an unrecoverably bad underexposure..

It's also not particularly helpful if the camera's latency is highly variable, making it much more difficult to time very short-lived action...

Comment #6

Ddm84 wrote:.

Since I'm a "Newbie" I don't know the words to explain my previousposting, but the 40D has a shutter speed of 1/8000 with @6.5fps...the XTi and D40x were 1/4000 speed with @3 fps..

First, you are not going to be shooting sports at 1/8000 or 1/4000 second, so any of these cameras would be fine as far as maximum shutter speed. Certainly 6.5 frames per second would be nicer than 3 frames per second, but it isnt exactly a show stopper. What lens you get would be far more important than these two factors..

It was also explained that when I add the zoom, the zoom would slowdown the camera speed.....

The zoom, what zoom would that be? No lens will slow the number of frames per second; that is totally a function of the camera. In dim conditions, a lens with a large maximum aperture will allow you to shoot at shorter shutter durations (normally referred to as faster shutter speeds, even though that doesnt make logical sense)..

It is possible that with an Xti you will get fewer keepers: maybe 10% as opposed to 15%. The hit rate just isnt that good in sports. I remember a Sports Illustrated editor complaining about a pro football game where with ten photographers and hundreds of frame, not one of them had the shot he wanted in focus..

I would be more worried about AF speed than shutter speed. Can the Xti focus as quickly as the 40D with the dame lens?.

You say it is still in the box; hardly a way to get to know a camera..

Brian A...

Comment #7

Graystar wrote:.

At 1/2000 sec I can see the knobs on the wheels of competitive radiocontrolled cars, which are moving at 30 MPH while the wheels arespinning at 10,000 RPM..

Assuming a 1" diameter wheel (2.54 cm) Circumference = 3.14".

At 10,000 RPM, that is a distance of 31415" per minute which is = 1884956" per hour, which is 30 Miles/Hour!!!! (48 Kilometers/Hour).

BUT..... IN ROUND NUMBERS:1. (10,000 Rev/Minute) * (1 minute/60 seconds) = 167 Rev/Second2. (167 Rev/Sec) / 2000th Second = 0.083 Rev3. 0.083 Rev/Exposure * 360 Degrees/Revolution = 30 Degrees/Exposure4. The tire will spin 30 degrees in 1/2000 of a second @ 10,000 RPM.

30 Degrees of rotation would lead to a blurry picture IMVHO.

So, where's the mix-upA 1" wheel is pretty tiny, I'm thinking the wheels must be more like 2 or 3".2" diameter wheel at 10,000 RPM would yield 60 MPH3" diameter wheel at 10,000 RPM would yield 90 MPH.

Finally, working backward,to get a 2" wheel to go 30 MPH, you would need only 5000 RPM.to get a 3" wheel to go 30 MPH, you would need only 3333 RPMAND 3333 RPM leads to only 10 degrees of rotation per exposure.

10 degrees is probably within the realm of a sharp picture.

Phew Goodnight!!!!Warm regards,DOF..

Comment #8

Dad_of_four wrote:.

Assuming....

Oops...my mistake :o).

The wheels are 3.5" in diameter, which works out to about 2881 RPMs and 8.6 degrees of rotation..

I must have been remembering 1/12 on-road car numbers, which have 2" wheels and go 60 MPH (yeah...those things are FAST!).

Still...the sentiment is just as valid, no? ..

Comment #9

Ddm84 wrote:.

Ok...after lots of postings and hours spent in a camera shop, now Iam so unsure of myself I am ready to return the Canon 40D I receivedfor Christmas and just wait awhile before I buy anything!!!.

I don't like the size or feel of the Canon 40D...I did like the XTiand the Nikon D40x...but then I learn that the XTi and the D40x don'thave the shutter speed I need for my son's competitive soccertournaments (18 year olds...) I only have two more days that I canreturn the 40D (it's still in the box)..

Do I have any other options? Everything I've checked out has 3 or sofps...if I go back to upper level P/S it's even slower!.

Any suggestions?.

I don't think shutter speed or fps is going to be an limitation for you with any of these cameras. But your lens will be. You might want to get a less expensive body so you can couple it with a pro lens like a 70-200 f/2.8..

Suppose you have enough light to shoot at 1/2000 and f/2.8. But, if your lens is limited to f/5.6, you'll have to use 1/500. So, the better lens gives you higher usable shutter speeds than the better camera..

These lenses weigh a ton, by the way. You'll quickly forget about the size of the 40D. Also note that Nikon's less expensive 80-200 f/2.8 won't autofocus on a D40x...

Comment #10

Have you actually used the camera or have you just looked at it? It sounds from your post as if you have not taken any pictures with it..

If so, how can you judge something that you have not used. Would you buy a car without driving it or would you buy a piece of furniture w/o sitting on it?Don..

Comment #11

Hi,.

It sounds to me that you have bitten off a little more than you can chew.If I have this wrong then I apologise in advance..

1/ You are coming from a p/s to SLR for the 1st time and 2/ You want to shoot football..

Well you have certainly bought a camera that is capable of doing the job.You would though now need to buy a specialist lens that is up to the job which will probably cost another $500-$1000.Technically you could I suppose then dial in sport mode on the programme wheel and take the odd picture..

Seriously -taking good sports photos takes decent equipment,lots of practice and a fair amount of skill.Get the strongest zooming point and shoot you can find and take it from there.Good luck.PJT..

Comment #12

I have just checked out your recent posts.Will you please do as you are told..

Take the camera out of the box,attach the lens (I believe it's a 28-135mm ),turn the camera on,switch on auto and start taking some pictures.You have posted on so many forums that you have probably lost track of the replies.Well you have received some fantastic advice and encouragement.STOP BEING AFRAID START TAKING SOME PHOTOS You might just surprise yourself with how good they are.PJT..

Comment #13

My advice for what it's worth is as much psychological as about photography..

I would agree that you just stick it on auto and take some pictures - you won't lose anything, and even if it is just your lad kicking a ball around the garden, it will give you an idea of how things actually work..

If you still aren't happy I would suggest that you take the camera back..

You are obviously very worried about the issue and that can't be doing you any good..

If you take it back then there is nothing to stop you buying the same one again when you are more comfortable..

Alex..

Comment #14

With respect.... if you don't know the difference between (i) a fast shutter speed (like 1/1000 sec), (ii) a fast burst rate (like 10 frames per second), and (iii) a 'fast' (= wide aperture) lens, you don't really need a semi-pro level camera like a D40. Take it back and get an XTi, a very capable camera which you can learn on, and which will do everything you need for a long time. Save the money towards a telephoto lens which you will need for sports shooting..

You do not need a fast burst rate for sports photography. Sure, you can point the camera at the action, hold the shutter down for a few seconds, and maybe one of the dozens of pictures will have captured a good moment. And maybe it won't. It is much better to use some judgement and wait, with your camera at your eye, until the correct moment before pressing the button. It always used to work....

You need to find out about the basics of exposure: what shutter speeds and apertures to use, how they combine, and what effect each one has. There are plenty of books and web tutorials. For sports photography, have a look at.

Http://digital-photography-school.com/.../introduction-to-sports-photography/.

If you want to get going quickly, in your position I would.

(i) swap the 40D for an XTi, and with the change get a Canon, Tamron or Sigma 70-300 zoom.

(ii) set the ISO to 400 and the camera to 'sports' mode - this will ensure that you get a fast shutter speed to freeze the action even in fairly poor light.

(iii) start shooting - and wait for the right moment before pressing the button, don't rely on a fast burst rate to do the job for you..

Good luckMike..

Comment #15

In my opinion, the poster needs to return the Canon and buy a modest point and shoot. A Canon A720 will take perfectly good photos of his son playing soccer..

Http://www.flickr.com/...er&ss=2&cm=canon%2Fpowershot_a720_is&z=t..

Comment #16

It's crazy to even think of taking such a good camera back. Upgrade your technique rather than worrying about a camera which is more than capable..

One day you might be able to afford one of those big expensive fast pro lenses, until then follow the game, anticipate where the action will be, and pre focus into that area. To cut out the lag time you'd have to do that with a prosumer megazoom in any case, but with the DSLR the image quality will be better thanks to the ability to set higher ISO sensitivity without much electronic noise degradation..

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Comment #17

John farrar wrote:.

It's crazy to even think of taking such a good camera back. Upgradeyour technique rather than worrying about a camera which is more thancapable..

Here is what the OP originally said:.

I don't like the size or feel of the Canon 40D...I did like the XTi and the Nikon D40x...but then I learn that the XTi and the D40x don't have the shutter speed I need for my son's competitive soccer tournaments (18 year olds...) I only have two more days that I can return the 40D (it's still in the box)..

Not liking the size of the 40D (geez, I would love it over my XT), he has already got up on the wrong foot with it..

I support the idea of the 400D (or D80) and good glass. Question is, will be shop give him the full refund or just do a straight swap for the value?..

Comment #18

Ddm84 wrote:.

Ok...after lots of postings and hours spent in a camera shop, now Iam so unsure of myself I am ready to return the Canon 40D I receivedfor Christmas and just wait awhile before I buy anything!!!.

I don't like the size or feel of the Canon 40D...I did like the XTi.

If you dont like the size or feel of it return it, you will never take good pictures with a camera that doesnt feel right in your hands.

And the Nikon D40x...but then I learn that the XTi and the D40x don'thave the shutter speed I need for my son's competitive soccertournaments (18 year olds...) I only have two more days that I canreturn the 40D (it's still in the box)..

If it's still in the box you will never get used to it......take it back.

Do I have any other options? Everything I've checked out has 3 or sofps...if I go back to upper level P/S it's even slower!.

Any suggestions?.

Take it back.

What made you buy a 40d? was it a salesperson ? if so you have been sold a dummy and should get your money back..

Please dont be offended when I say you sound like you know nothing about photography, the 400D (XTi in US) will take a continuous burst of 27 jpegs which will allow you to capture most things, please bear in mind if you are panning the camera to capture the action and taking 6 frames a second if you are not good with the camera they will all be blurry out of focus and probably wont have the ball in the shot anyway..

You would be far better off getting the 400D (XTi) and a good lens, ask for advice from some one that shoots soccer..

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Comment #19

I've also been following your posts from day one and these are my thoughts.1) You have no knowledge of the basic fundamentals..

2) Your experience is limited to compacts and you have never deviated from the Auto mode..

3) Now you have an expensive ($1400?) unopened 40D kit given to you as a gift with 2 days remaining on the return policy before there is a costly 15% restocking fee..

My suggestion as it was from day one is to return the 40D now and look into one of the super zooms like the Canon S5 and Panasonic FZ50 or FZ18 and get your basics down by venturing into the Av, Tv, and Manual modes. These cameras are well under $500, have many features of a DSLR and will provide good IQ..

Shoot, shoot, and shoot some more. If you continue to enjoy photography and are up against the limitations of these, then you'll have enough experience to make your own informed decision on which DSLR and lens to buy.Regards,Hank..

Comment #20

I am a complete newbie too. It's difficult to evaluate cameras when you know nothing about photography. By the time you learn enough to make use of the 40D a newer, better, more cost-efficient camera will be offered. I bought a few books and am SLOWLY learning. I've decided to take the leap to a starter dslr to learn with. But I agree with you, the 40D is BIG and EXPENSIVE! That's why I'm leaning toward the Oly E-510.

It seems like the best photographers are more techie types than artie types. It'll take awhile to get up to speed. Hopefully you'll have taken some pictures of your son's soccer games while he's still interested in playing!  I have a baby on the way so I'm hoping that the learning curve won't take too long. But I only have 6 more months. .

Good luck!.

Jay..

Comment #21

At first I was prepared to say...return the 40D? What are you nuts? That camera is more than capable of taking the photos you want. But.....

You aren't ready. You should learn a lot more about photography before you pick a camera to use. If you really like the feel of the Xti and D40x then you should return the 40D and either pick up one of those and start learning. Or better yet return the 40D and start learning without a camera. Believe me photography is a heck of a lot more than merely pressing the shutter at the right time. Especially the kind of photography you want to do, sports photography..

My advice is take the 40D back and read read read, everything you can find on the subject. And if you have questions, even if they seem nubile or stupid to you, post them in the beginners questions forum, we'll help you out..

The 40D is a nice camera and should do fine in sport photography, but if it doesn't feel right you won't enjoy it so find somehting that does..

But keep in mind if it's only the weight of the camera that bothers you, for sport photography you'll need an even bigger and heavier lens than you might be used to, so switching to a smaller camera might not alleviate your problem..

Might not be a bad idea to get used to the 40D's size and weight because without a fast (read: large and heavy) lens you might not achieve the shutter speeds you want in low light so you'll need a heavy kit to get the job done right especially in fast action evening soccer games..

If none of that makes sense to you, take the camera back and learn photography first before picking the right camera for you..

I mean it's like someone put a chef's knife in your hand, stuck you in a kitchen and said ok prepare a meal. And you're like "this knife doesn't feel right to me". If you were a chef you'd already have the right knife for you and years of practice using it. And if someone gave you a knife good enough that you've never used before (can we all agree the 40D is good enough for soccer games?) you'd still be able to use it and prepare just as good a meal as with one you're familiar with..

Ddm84 wrote:.

Ok...after lots of postings and hours spent in a camera shop, now Iam so unsure of myself I am ready to return the Canon 40D I receivedfor Christmas and just wait awhile before I buy anything!!!.

I don't like the size or feel of the Canon 40D...I did like the XTiand the Nikon D40x...but then I learn that the XTi and the D40x don'thave the shutter speed I need for my son's competitive soccertournaments (18 year olds...) I only have two more days that I canreturn the 40D (it's still in the box)..

Do I have any other options? Everything I've checked out has 3 or sofps...if I go back to upper level P/S it's even slower!.

Any suggestions?..

Comment #22

There's no point in making yourself and your family miserable..

BAK..

Comment #23

Hank3152 wrote:.

I've also been following your posts from day one and these are mythoughts.1) You have no knowledge of the basic fundamentals.2) Your experience is limited to compacts and you have never deviatedfrom the Auto mode.3) Now you have an expensive ($1400?) unopened 40D kit given to youas a gift with 2 days remaining on the return policy before there isa costly 15% restocking fee..

My suggestion as it was from day one is to return the 40D now andlook into one of the super zooms like the Canon S5 and Panasonic FZ50or FZ18 and get your basics down by venturing into the Av, Tv, andManual modes. These cameras are well under $500, have many featuresof a DSLR and will provide good IQ.Shoot, shoot, and shoot some more. If you continue to enjoyphotography and are up against the limitations of these, then you'llhave enough experience to make your own informed decision on whichDSLR and lens to buy.Regards,Hank.

Oh Hank your tolerence shames me.I have wasted so much time with this guy it is worrying.Why he bought a 40D is beyond me .An XTi or a 20D made so much sense.The advice he has received has been spot on so has the encouragement.The support is here. There is just no reckoning for the human condition.Personally I now wish he would go and buy an 1Ds111 perhaps an image might be produced.PJT..

Comment #24

First, this was a gift from my husband because he knows how much I love photography. A gift like that shouldn't be taken lightly..

Second, I know P/S's do good - I've been pleased with mine. I don't know how to use a DSLR or SLR except on auto, but I have been happily taking pictures that I am proud to call mine for 35 years. I'm techno challenged, yes - but I walk around "framing" shots with my hands, trying to see what angles and lighting look best. There are possible still shots in everything I see!!!.

I value and appreciate everyone's opinion, and have read each thread to learn more..

Goodbye!.

Denise..

Comment #25

Take it back and get the camera that felt right. My husband has a Nikon d50 that I use but it feels too big for me. After using it for 2 years I just haven't gotten use to it. You should enjoy the gift so get the one thats the better fit...

Comment #26

Mary's right........if you don't like the feel and weight now you may never get used to it and it will only get heavier with the glass you'd need to take sports/action shots and it will probably be left on a shelf collecting dust...like expensive hand crafted Italian shoes that are 2 sizes off..

But if you do love photography then perhaps wade into the DSLR arena with the XTi which you already like and by having extra cash to buy a better quality lens which will last much longer than the body. At which time your skills will be honed and you'll have some experience to make an informed decision to buy the 40D's successor..

Also when you have spare time look into this tutorial.......it will answer a lot of questions to help you get started.......http://www.shortcourses.com/use/.

Regards,Hank..

Comment #27

I think both the Pentax K10D or the Olympus E3 are SMALLER and LIGHTER..

And if you get lenses designed for their smaller format .... the LENSES will be also much smaller and lighter..

(I think all the Canon lenses are designed for Full-Frame).

Hank3152 wrote:.

Mary's right........if you don't like the feel and weight now you maynever get used to it and it will only get heavier with the glassyou'd need to take sports/action shots and it will probably be lefton a shelf collecting dust...like expensive hand crafted Italianshoes that are 2 sizes off.But if you do love photography then perhaps wade into the DSLR arenawith the XTi which you already like and by having extra cash to buy abetter quality lens which will last much longer than the body. Atwhich time your skills will be honed and you'll have some experienceto make an informed decision to buy the 40D's successor.Also when you have spare time look into this tutorial.......it willanswer a lot of questions to help you get started.......http://www.shortcourses.com/use/.

Regards,Hank.

Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto.

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK and FORGET to START Again ??? )..

Comment #28

Ddm84 wrote:.

First, this was a gift from my husband because he knows how much Ilove photography. A gift like that shouldn't be taken lightly..

Second, I know P/S's do good - I've been pleased with mine. I don'tknow how to use a DSLR or SLR except on auto, but I have been happilytaking pictures that I am proud to call mine for 35 years. I'mtechno challenged, yes - but I walk around "framing" shots with myhands, trying to see what angles and lighting look best. There arepossible still shots in everything I see!!!.

I value and appreciate everyone's opinion, and have read each threadto learn more..

Goodbye!.

Denise.

Denise,.

I don't know you or your husband but I'd be willing to bet that his primary interest in giving you the DSLR was to make you happy. If it's making you miserable then that's the last thing he wants. I'm sure he'd be very understanding if you returned it and bought a high-quality compact that would enable you to take great shots of your son's soccer games. As I said earlier, the Canon A720IS, a compact camera which also has manual options, would do the job for you plus it would be a great way to learn the more complicated aspects of photography...

Comment #29

Ddm84 wrote:.

First, this was a gift from my husband because he knows how much Ilove photography. A gift like that shouldn't be taken lightly..

That's a wonderful thing your husband has done. It was also a mistake..

You cannot buy a camera for someone else - whether they are experienced, or a beginner..

Clearly you are agonising over this - personally, I think too much. You are making mountains out of molehills in terms of what the camera can do, relative to your own experience and skills. I'd be inclined to say "just take it out of the box and start using it" but the "it doesn't feel right" comment gives me pause..

You must like the feel of the camera - how it fits in your hands, the positions of the controls etc. This is almost more important than the feature list..

Probbaly the 40D will serve you very well, but the problem is.

1. You've aleady embedded massive doubt into your own mind about whether it's "right" for your needs. I think you're wrong, but that will be very hard to change in your own mind and there's a risk that you will never be truly happy with the camera for that reason. Worse, you may start blaming it for faults in your photos.2. As I said, and more importantly, it "doesn't feel right"..

So - return the camera, and learn some more before you commit to the camera that you want..

Your husband has done a wonderful thing. He deserves MAJOR thanks  but it was a mistake..

If my wife bought me an expensive but wrong piece of gear, I would take it back. It wouldn't be an insult to her. It would be an insult to her (and to our joing bank balance!) if I pretended it was right...

Comment #30

Well the way I read it .....

A. You had experience in P&S, typical consumer DC experience but were and are not versed in anything really photographic, shooting technique and technical side..

B. you had a need to capture your son's activity and those demand high throughtput in capturing.

C. the 40D prove to be too much a cmarea for you and you and your family is not aware and are not accustum to it's size and bulk ...

... OK , my take on the matter, the 40D by itself is not actually bulky nor weight too much for it's class. But for one who are unaccustomed to this category of DSLR, it's a daunting machine ... but then it can do what it can do and surely can suffice what you are asking for ...

So there exist really several options for this matter.

- Keep the 40D, and focus on learning to use it properly. for a start, use the Tv mode or the sport scene mode. in this regard it's no different than the lesser DSLR and certainly perform better. Stick with some form of automation for a start ( say AUTO ISO, Auto WB, JPEG, and if you want to explore feature and setting, do it one at a time, and learn through that before moving on .. This generation of DSLR is very capable, and can suffice both as a learning tool and proper equipment. And go get a monopod for support..

- go for a smaller DSLR / different one. Going for a lesser DSLR IMHO is not the answer as compared to the like of any DC, they are not really that lightweight and compact and their throughput might not work out that great for your need. But if you really find the weight and bulk too much, it can be sort of a solution. Essentially a consumer model DSLR is no different than the 40D in most aspect of operation, control, and complexity. Just that they are simplified a bit. By that, I would not go for the 400D/D40X then.

IMHO the Panasonic L10 is a good choice..

- go for a DC, you will need one that is fast, and had long reach and this pretty much limit your choice. IMHO this is the last ditch option as no DC of any sort come close to performance of a decent DSLR, not to say comparing to one like the 40D ( mid range models that is ). Its only advantage is really the light weight and bulk.

Yes it is a dilemma, and I've heard so many similar questions back and forth, but come time to decide, one just had to realize, proper tool also demand proper operational knowledge, and sorry they just will be weighting that much and then some in bulk and size. So for the matter, the question is really are you willing to shoulder the weight and bulk, and start learning..

Franka -..

Comment #31

WRONG! The K10D's sensor (ie "format") is more or less the same size as the 40D, also Canon's EF-S lenses are designed for this format, whereas EF lenses are designed for full frame. You are correct regarding the E3 having a smaller format though..

JoePhoto wrote:.

I think both the Pentax K10D or the Olympus E3 are SMALLER and LIGHTER..

And if you get lenses designed for their smaller format .... theLENSES will be also much smaller and lighter..

(I think all the Canon lenses are designed for Full-Frame).

OP - Why not sign yourself up for a photography class or two? Or buy some books at your local bookstore? Were you thinking that just buying a very expensive camera would guarantee great photos without learning anything besides "keep the dial on Auto, point, shoot"?.

I say unless the camera is really too heavy/bulky, just go out, start shooting and learning. But stay off of AUTO, please! ..

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