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A570IS vs SX100IS vs DMC-FZ8
Apologies if this has been discussed before, I tried the search but got "Bad Request (Invalid Hostname)"..

Anyway, I'm currently trying to decide between Canon's A570IS or SX100IS or Panasonic's DMC-FZ8..

I currently own a A510, which has almost always given me good pictures, and would like a step up with a model that has IS..

I'm just looking for a decent all-around camera and would never need a print larger than letter size, mostly 4x6 and 5x7. Of course picture quality is the number one factor I'm looking for and a decent zoom is a huge plus. I was looking at a A650IS, but that's a bit too expensive for me. I'd also like a viewfinder if at all possible and RAW's a plus, as is a histogram, live is best..

I've never really taken that many pictures before, even with the A510, but I'd like to learn..

Am I mistaken in thinking that low-light performance is sans flash and that if I use the flash I won't have to be taken to the higher ISO settings?.

I've handled both the A570IS and the DMC-FZ8. The FZ8 feels excellent, easy to grip and not flimsy. The A570IS feels good, but also a bit like it's going to fall apart on me..

I've been staring at the reviews and everything is so mixed for any camera, I can't really objectively compare the two, especially since I'm no expert. I don't know if noise is really going to be an issue or whether the SX100IS's purple fringing is going to be a problem (I think I can fix that on the computer)..

Price is also an issue. I'd really like to stay below $200, but $250 is acceptable..

Currently, the A570IS is $150 w/free photo printer or SX100IS is $180 or DMC-FZ8 is $250, at the very top of my budget..

As you can probably tell, I'm completely at a loss for which camera to go for, so any help is much appreciated!..

Comments (10)

If you're purchasing from an internet seller check the seller's ratings on the following link to assure you're dealing with a reputable site. The reason I mention this is because the sx100 price seems a little low. I thought the sx prices were closer to $250..

Http://www.resellerratings.com/.

If your considering the a570is you may also want to include the a720is on your list which is a step up from the 570. It has a better lens- longer telephoto and better for closeups. I think it's around $180..

Requarding the following question in your OP:.

"Am I mistaken in thinking that low-light performance is sans flash and that if I use the flash I won't have to be taken to the higher ISO settings?" I believe the answer to both parts of your question is yes...

Comment #1

I'd also like a viewfinder if at all possible andRAW's a plus, as is a histogram, live is best..

It seems to me the Panasonic has all of the features you want (the sx doesn't have any of the above, the 570 has a viewfinder), plus you like how it feels and was highly recommended in the dp review. This may be the camera for you. Why don't you try posting in the Panasonic forum if you don't get any comments here. This camera in terms of features would be a significant step up from the 510...

Comment #2

Thanks for the reply. The price of the SX100 was taking into consideration an upcoming sale at Staples next week..

I had originally had the A720IS at the top of my list, but it was somewhat uncomfortable for me to hold. The grip was way too small. How is it compared to the SX100IS in image quality? Also, why do the superzooms seem to have worse image quality at the higher ISOs than those that are not if they all have the same size sensor? I can understand how higher MP count affects it, but not how the optics do..

In what way is the 720 better than the 570 for closeups. The lens on both have a 35mm minimum focal length, as does the SX100, so no wide-angle shots, just increasingly longer telephoto..

Would the 720is be the best bet then for the money, or the SX100IS or 570IS?..

Comment #3

I actually have the a610, not the a510 and love the flip screen on it. .

Doesn't the Panasonic have somewhat less in terms of image quality? The review did note that it barely made it to the "highly recommended" list. I'm wondering if it's worth the extra money to go that way. RAW's no good if you've got blurry images or is excessively noisy compared to the others. An extra $70 (almost 1/2 the cost of either of the other two cameras) doesn't seem worth it if the images are going to be worse anyway..

I'm actually leaning towards the SX100 after talking to someone in the camera store, especially for $180, but how is the image quality compared to the 570is or the 720is? Would the 570is, 720is be better in low light?.

I wish there was a way to see images taken in the same situations, same conditions side by side instead of a couple select cameras in the reviews ..

Comment #4

Wandering_soul wrote:.

Thanks for the reply. The price of the SX100 was taking intoconsideration an upcoming sale at Staples next week..

I had originally had the A720IS at the top of my list, but it wassomewhat uncomfortable for me to hold. The grip was way too small.How is it compared to the SX100IS in image quality?.

I can't personally answer this. I have the a570. Have you seen the photographic tests and sample pictures in the dpreview of the cameras? You may have to judge for yourself. Search for pictures in the canon forum taken from these cameras to get an idea of what the cameras can do..

Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonsx100is/page17.asphttp://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canona720is/page12.asp.

Also, why do thesuperzooms seem to have worse image quality at the higher ISOs thanthose that are not if they all have the same size sensor? I canunderstand how higher MP count affects it, but not how the optics do..

I'm not sure what you referring to here. Higher ISOs result in more noise than at lower ISOs which degrade IQ. Noise is related to ISO not focal length. (The telephoto end of the zoom often have smaller apertures than the wider end of the zoom which means at the long end you'll need a faster shutter speed &/or higher ISO to get the correct exposure. So at the long end of a superzoom you maybe using a higher ISO to get the shot than if you used a shorter focal length with a wider aperature.).

In what way is the 720 better than the 570 for closeups..

The macro focus range on the sx and 720 is 1 cm, on the 570 it's 5cm..

The lens onboth have a 35mm minimum focal length, as does the SX100, so nowide-angle shots, just increasingly longer telephoto..

Would the 720is be the best bet then for the money, or the SX100IS or570IS?.

Generally the 570 has been considered a really great buy. However, the 720 is coming down in price and in terms of value I would say at this point they're comparable. If the sx is at the same price or lower than the 720 that would also seem to me to be a great value. But it doesn't have the viewfinder...

Comment #5

Wandering_soul wrote:.

I actually have the a610, not the a510 and love the flip screen onit. .

The a610 was supposed to be a really great camera. The Canon cameras you're looking at all have a smaller sensor. I doubt IQ would be better in these cameras than the 610..

Doesn't the Panasonic have somewhat less in terms of image quality?The review did note that it barely made it to the "highlyrecommended" list. I'm wondering if it's worth the extra money to gothat way. RAW's no good if you've got blurry images or is excessivelynoisy compared to the others. An extra $70 (almost 1/2 the cost ofeither of the other two cameras) doesn't seem worth it if the imagesare going to be worse anyway..

I'm actually leaning towards the SX100 after talking to someone inthe camera store, especially for $180, but how is the image qualitycompared to the 570is or the 720is? Would the 570is, 720is be betterin low light?.

I don't think any of these three cameras are considered great low light cameras..

I wish there was a way to see images taken in the same situations,same conditions side by side instead of a couple select cameras inthe reviews .

There is a web site that allows you to choose cameras and compare images. I can't remember what it is. Post a question requesting it and I'm sure someone will come up with it...

Comment #6

Wandering_soul wrote:.

I had originally had the A720IS at the top of my list, but it wassomewhat uncomfortable for me to hold. The grip was way too small.How is it compared to the SX100IS in image quality?.

No significant difference..

Also, why do thesuperzooms seem to have worse image quality at the higher ISOs thanthose that are not if they all have the same size sensor?.

No significant difference here either. From where did you get such conclusion?.

I canunderstand how higher MP count affects it, but not how the optics do..

Well. Optics does affect by affecting contrast. Larger zoom normally means lower contrast and noise-reduction processing has more effect on low contrast details. But SX100IS and A720IS does not have much difference on this count..

In what way is the 720 better than the 570 for closeups..

Well more zoom can help by blurring the background while lens is at tele-end of zoom. Else no difference..

The lens onboth have a 35mm minimum focal length, as does the SX100, so nowide-angle shots, just increasingly longer telephoto..

Yup..

Would the 720is be the best bet then for the money, or the SX100IS or570IS?.

SX100IS followed by A720 then A570IS. (It is better to have more versatility on the go if IQ penalty is not much, as in case of SX100IS.)Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

Comment #7

I'm actually leaning towards the SX100 after talking to someone inthe camera store, especially for $180, but how is the image qualitycompared to the 570is or the 720is? Would the 570is, 720is be betterin low light?.

I don't think any of these three cameras are considered great lowlight cameras..

Regarding low light capabilities of the three cameras -.

A faster lens is better in low light. The sx has the fastest lens of the 3 followed by the 720 and 570. The 3 cameras all take 2 AAs batteries. As compared to the 610 the flash recycle time will be considerably slower...

Comment #8

Of the three cameras you mentioned, which none of them are really comparable to each other.the Panasonic FZ8 is clearly the best of the bunch!.

Hands down.which is why it costs a little more..

That Leica lens just can't be beat for sharpness, uses lithium ion rechargable instead of 'AA' batteries (ie.- longer runtime between charges or battery swaps), and with that electronic viewfinder you'll find taking photos much easier than holding the camera in front of you at arms length (SX100 - has no viewfinder) or the A570 IS (little tiny optical viewfinder good for framing only with no info or focus confirmation)..

Go to a store and check them all out.thats the best way to find out which one is the best!.

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

Remember.always keep the box and everything that came in it!..

Comment #9

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Wandering_soul wrote:.

I had originally had the A720IS at the top of my list, but it wassomewhat uncomfortable for me to hold. The grip was way too small.How is it compared to the SX100IS in image quality?.

No significant difference..

Also, why do thesuperzooms seem to have worse image quality at the higher ISOs thanthose that are not if they all have the same size sensor?.

No significant difference here either. From where did you get suchconclusion?.

I know that larger sensor = more light per pixel and all the reviews show significantly more noise at higher ISOs on the longer zoom cameras for the same sensor size. I think your next point clears up why, thanks..

Well. Optics does affect by affecting contrast. Larger zoom normallymeans lower contrast and noise-reduction processing has more effecton low contrast details. But SX100IS and A720IS does not have muchdifference on this count..

Would the 720is be the best bet then for the money, or the SX100IS or570IS?.

SX100IS followed by A720 then A570IS. (It is better to have moreversatility on the go if IQ penalty is not much, as in case ofSX100IS.)Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612.

Thanks! Ended up going for the SX100 IS w/$10 AR photo printer. I love sales ..

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