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8x10 crop question....
Any suggestions? I have a large family picture taken with a 5D camera using the widest angle possible, but the persons in the pic still extend all the way to the very edges of the image. I would like to be able to make an 8x10 print out of it, but when I upload the image to my print site I am forced to crop persons off the wide edges..

Obviously, if I had been able I would have loved to have some open space on the wide angle, but overall room dimensions limited the arrangement and such. so....long question shorter....what options to I have here?.

4x6, 5x7 are obviously an option, but I don't want to go to 8x12....can "edges" be filled in somehow with photoshop to allow an 8x10 print? if so, please explain I detail if you would. thanks for any assistance....lyn..

Comments (17)

Yes, it's quite possible..

Use the crop tool, and set the width or height to appropriate size (10inch on either the horizontal or vertical side, depending on which edge you want to be longer). Leave the other fields blank..

Select the entire image, and crop it..

Now go to Canvas size. Set the other edge to 8 inches..

You should now have the original image with enlarged edges. You can leave these white, but usually it looks better if you color them in with black or something...

Comment #1

Any options to have it done without the blank edges??..

Comment #2

It sounds like you have your height and width tied together. If you untie them you can make the image anysize you want then print it on 8X10 paper..

You might ask this in the retouching forum. They are very helpful with photoshop questions..

REd..

Comment #3

Why are you hung up on 8x10? 8x12 is a much more pleasing size visually. It is a standard size. Put a mat on it, stick it in a 16x20 frame and you have a nice hangable print.http://www.katscan.smugmug.com..

Comment #4

I'm not quite sure what you want to do with the image then... you have an 8x12 image that you want to squash into a 8x10 sheet of paper. You pretty much have two options:.

Cut off the edges - you have subject matter here so you don't want to do that..

Shrink the image to fit within the paper - you will have blank areas at the edges..

There are no other options if you want to print 8x10..

As others have suggested, you could just print it at 8x12...

Comment #5

Good suggestions....i guess the hang up for 8x10 is I have a nice frame i'd like to put it in. obviously don't want to lose the 10 inch edges as i'd lose family off the ends, but also didn't want just blank black edges either. I have to play around with it...

Comment #6

I would print it in 5x7 then and mat it if you want to use the frame. Mats are much nicer than just sticking a photo in a frame (in my opinion). It's all about presentation! This is why white space is a huge part of print layout, the uncluttered look is preferred in interior design, and why gourmet chefs use big plates for small amounts of food. It's the trick of drawing the eye to what you want to feature..

Http://www.katscan.smugmug.com..

Comment #7

Red13 wrote:.

It sounds like you have your height and width tied together. If youuntie them you can make the image anysize you want then print it on8X10 paper..

Yeah, and make the usually pleasantly plump Aunt Marge look more like Marge Simpson. Simply stretching an image like that produces horrible results. It boggles my mind but I guess some people really can't see the difference when they stretch a 4:3 television picture to "fill" their new 16:9 widescreen too..

[ e d @ h a l l e yc c ] http://www.halley.cc/pix/..

Comment #8

Ed Halley wrote:.

Red13 wrote:.

It sounds like you have your height and width tied together. If youuntie them you can make the image anysize you want then print it on8X10 paper..

Yeah, and make the usually pleasantly plump Aunt Marge look more likeMarge Simpson. Simply stretching an image like that produceshorrible results. It boggles my mind but I guess some people reallycan't see the difference when they stretch a 4:3 television pictureto "fill" their new 16:9 widescreen too..

Not sure why you cannot crop nontraditional sizes but maybe you should learn how to use a computer before you give advice..

In addition to a couple of forums on this site there are a plethora of sites on the internet to help familiarize yourself with cropping..

REd..

Comment #9

Red13 wrote:.

Ed Halley wrote:.

Red13 wrote:.

It sounds like you have your height and width tied together. If youuntie them you can make the image anysize you want then print it on8X10 paper..

Yeah, and make the usually pleasantly plump Aunt Marge look more likeMarge Simpson. Simply stretching an image like that produceshorrible results. It boggles my mind but I guess some people reallycan't see the difference when they stretch a 4:3 television pictureto "fill" their new 16:9 widescreen too..

Not sure why you cannot crop nontraditional sizes but maybe youshould learn how to use a computer before you give advice..

In addition to a couple of forums on this site there are a plethoraof sites on the internet to help familiarize yourself with cropping..

REd.

I agree with Ed Halley, the person who "should learn how to use a computer". Many folk think I, myself, know how to use a computer so perhaps you can resolve my ignorance and confusion..

Now, the OP's problem, as I see it, is that he took a picture with a 3:2 aspect ratio camera and there's stuff (people!) he wants on the edges. But he wants to print it on an 8X10, which is not close to 3:2. It has been explained in previous posts that you can't do this. Your suggestion to "untie" the height and width indicates to me that you are proposing to distort the image so it fits the shape of the paper..

I infer that you suggest doing something like unchecking the "constrain proportions" box in Photoshop's Image Size dialog box and then entering the desired paper size in the "document size" boxes. Is my interpretation of your suggestion correct?.

Doing this, and then altering the image size to 8X10, will produce exactly the result Mr. Halley described, and will generally produce an unacceptable image, especially if there are people in it..

Please describe your solution in more detail so that I, too, will know how to use a computer..

Leonard Migliore..

Comment #10

I agree 100% with Ed. Especially the part about watching 4:3 images stretched to fill a 16:9 screen. They do it all the time here in Thailand and it drives me crazy..

The greatest of mankind's criminals are those who delude themselves into thinking they have done 'the right thing.'- Rayna Butler..

Comment #11

Kathryne wrote:.

... and why gourmet chefs use big plates for smallamounts of food. It's the trick of drawing the eye to what you wantto feature..

Is that why they do that. I just thought they were being cheap and overcharging you for miniscule amounts of food..

The greatest of mankind's criminals are those who delude themselves into thinking they have done 'the right thing.'- Rayna Butler..

Comment #12

Where I live, 8x12, or frames in 8x12 proportions, bigger or smaller, are few and far between, and I've never seen an 8x12 or 12 x 18 pre-cut mat..

BAK..

Comment #13

Mats are easy to have cut, and cheap. There are many places to purchase 10x12 frames, though they are often referred to as document frames..

If the photo is fantastic, then a custom frame job is always nice. I have a 10x20 photo custom framed archival quality and it looks gallery ready. But that may be a bit much for the OPs questions..

I went into a framing store, bought a sale 11x14 frame and had them cut a 10x12 mat for me. They mounted the photo in the custom mat and then in the frame. It cost me less than $20.http://www.katscan.smugmug.com..

Comment #14

Leonard Migliore wrote:.

Red13 wrote:.

Ed Halley wrote:.

Red13 wrote:.

It sounds like you have your height and width tied together. If youuntie them you can make the image anysize you want then print it on8X10 paper..

Yeah, and make the usually pleasantly plump Aunt Marge look more likeMarge Simpson. Simply stretching an image like that produceshorrible results. It boggles my mind but I guess some people reallycan't see the difference when they stretch a 4:3 television pictureto "fill" their new 16:9 widescreen too..

Not sure why you cannot crop nontraditional sizes but maybe youshould learn how to use a computer before you give advice..

In addition to a couple of forums on this site there are a plethoraof sites on the internet to help familiarize yourself with cropping..

REd.

I agree with Ed Halley, the person who "should learn how to use acomputer"...Leonard Migliore.

I was rude to Eddie as he is a stupid patootie. I answer questions on the beginner board to help foster interest in photography. When I wrote my answer it was the OP twice and I forget the first posted message..

I've found many beginners don't know they can crop odd sizes as the defaults on many programs want people to be successful printing on standard paper. So I mentioned that fact in case the OP was unaware..

By leaving out the use of a 'custom mat' my advice was ambigiuous and might lead to a stretched or compressed image. I felt two things could have happened, the OP could like the image or they could clarify with another post outlining what happened. All good for the OP..

In the end Nathan Yan's post and the person who brought up the concept of whitespace with a 5X7 filled in my answer nicely. (I believe both had answered before the dynamic duo and you).

Then two arbiters of taste would show up pontificating on an image they haven't seen. They hate stretched/compressed images well, a big whooptie do. Blasphemer accuses Thailand of having no taste because, "they do it all the time"..

Yes I was rude and maybe I over reacted since after reading a couple of eddie the turd's posts I'm sure nobody on this site is surprised little eddie is "boggled"..

You, no matter how tongue in cheek, at least couched your point politely enough for a response. So while you may be as clueless as dumb and dumber you left an opening for conversation..

How would you chastise ed and blasphemer for their tasteless posts?.

REd..

Comment #15

Red, here is what you said originally:.

"It sounds like you have your height and width tied together".

This actually has no implications on cropping, but everything to do with image resizing. Maybe you meant something different but to most people, it sounds like you are suggesting that the OP unlink the height and width settings so that they can resize the 8x12 image to 8x10. This would lead to distortion that Ed was talking about..

So, maybe Ed interpreted you wrong. That's fine. The internet is rife full of misconceptions, and statements that are just plain wrong. But that is simple error - *you* were the one being rude by deciding to be defensive and launching a personal attack on Ed. Read his post again. He does not even make reference to you, much less make an insult like you did..

If someone misinterpreted you, that's fine, correct them. However you had *zero* justification for insulting someone and telling them to "learn how to use a computer."..

Comment #16

Nathan Yan wrote:.

Red, here is what you said originally:.

"It sounds like you have your height and width tied together".

This actually has no implications on cropping, but everything to dowith image resizing. Maybe you meant something different but to mostpeople, it sounds like you are suggesting that the OP unlink theheight and width settings so that they can resize the 8x12 image to8x10. This would lead to distortion that Ed was talking about..

So, maybe Ed interpreted you wrong. That's fine. The internet isrife full of misconceptions, and statements that are just plainwrong. But that is simple error - *you* were the one being rude bydeciding to be defensive and launching a personal attack on Ed. Readhis post again. He does not even make reference to you, much lessmake an insult like you did..

If someone misinterpreted you, that's fine, correct them. Howeveryou had *zero* justification for insulting someone and telling themto "learn how to use a computer.".

First let me apologize to you for the unpleasantness. I did take this personally,.

"Simply stretching an image like that produces horrible results. It boggles my mind but I guess some people really can't see the difference when they stretch a 4:3 television picture to "fill" their new 16:9 widescreen too.".

If Ed had said when doing this watch out for distortion I probably would have not responded about his misconception. Because as I said when I came back to see how the thread was developing your answer was more complete. The other poster who said whitespace filled in all the issues..

Second, I have helped many people find out about cropping. I have a 3.25X9" image that always gets comments and many people ask how to do it. It was not stretched..

That aside it stretching/compressing may fit exactly with what the original poster wants why flatly say that it is wrong..

REd..

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